The Lula prosecution is bullshit btw
― President Keyes, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
the lula prosecution is on behest of radical right-wing forces who are also corrupt and is a parliamentary coup because the right couldn't beat the PT in an election. comparison with trump is glib of course, though accurate in a very superficial way (both won elections, both having opposition trying to take them down for their criminal activities)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
If, for many years, a writer has described his fears about the state of America, does he find it galling when others make much of their sudden new fear? Embedded in Greenwald’s hostility to Trump’s critics seems to be the aggrieved question “What took you so long?”
“Yes, yes!” Greenwald said, emphatically, as he drove. Years after he began writing critically about expanded Presidential powers, “all these powers are now in the hands of Donald Trump,” he said. “He gets to start wars. So I do get a sense that, O.K., people are going to finally understand that this model of the American Presidency—this omnipotence, this lack of checks and balances—is so dangerous. But the problem is they’re being told that the danger is endemic to Trump, and not to this broader systemic abuse that’s been created. And that’s why I’m so opposed to the attempt to depict Trump as the singular evil. It’s not just partial or incomplete—it’s counterproductive, it’s deceitful.”
This is actually true of, like, 95 percent of MSNBC's coverage, which might as well be "Trump is vulgar" and Russia Russia Russia all the time.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
Trump did not win an election, unless you're counting the GOP primary
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 August 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
I can't get past the thought of how his home no doubt stinks of wet dog (twenty-four dogs!).
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
xp. if this is a pedantic he didn't win the popular vote or a russian hacking thing then this ain't it, chief
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
a man with his own Constitution xxp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
i liked this profile
i read glenn a lot many years ago but have basically stopped paying attention to him wholesale for various reasons. i do still agree with him on principle in a lot of instances and think his constant reminding to be distrustful of the government and security state to be essentially vital in theory... but there's no nuance in his style of argument or writing and i just don't really respond to that at all (s/o dave zirin). in the case of trump and russia, it's possible that the security state is applying its vast and powerful and usually improperly wielded apparatuses properly. glenn can still exist to say "but let's remember that this is not always the case" and i'm glad that he does, but i guess if he's not going to acknowledge that in this instance it could be the case then i think he starts bordering on territory of disingenuousness. nor do i think that allowing for this fact weakens his central argument... trump/russia is an extraordinary case.
i also think that allowing himself to become a tool wielded by the tucker carlsons and laura ingrahams of the world to say nothing of the roger stones is at best willfully ignorant about the realities of how the world and media currently work, or at worst nefariously selfish when it comes to increasing his platform
― J0rdan S., Monday, 27 August 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
seems a fair assessment
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
yes great post
― k3vin k., Monday, 27 August 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
Reading the article reminded me, for the hundredth time this year at least, that cynics are really soured romantics, and some of the factual mistakes on which Greenwald's corrected, not to mention the dogmatism, are the sort of thing I expect from twenty-five-year-olds who won't let a point go. I don't believe he's a Russian plant or a nefarious agent, but when a resourceful pundit and expert synthesist of data like Greenwald still implies that Trump's election was a required shock to the system, I think, "Well, great, buddy, I understand why you live in Brazil with your twenty-four dogs and flip-flops."
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
That an intelligent person of good conscience and progressive voting record could believe that American greatness is a bunch of bullshit yet still (a) vote for Clinton (b) think American republicanism did not need the shock to the system incarnated in Trump has not occurred to him.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link
yes all of that otm
― Dan S, Monday, 27 August 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link
needed vs deserved
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yBjBb.jpg
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
Thought you were a lapsed Catholic Morbs.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
Anyway, I've read Greenwald since 2004. On my own blogging he was a formidable and formative influence; when I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 I had him to thank for the psychological ballast. But, as good king Don Henley said, don't look back, you can never look back.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
there is a sizeable slice of the Dem rank-and-file who are fantasizing about Biden/Booker/Harris 2020 so they can, as Dennis Perrin says, go right back to sleep.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
I agree w j0rdan.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
I have no way of gauging the rank-and-file, whom I often assume are synonymous with "DNC."
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
no such thing as "Dem rank and file." that would imply a proper party-ness they do not possess
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
Its like if the dude who kept warning us about the impacts of climate change wont stop sounding celebratory that miami is underwater or complaining about the history of the arriving fema trailers. And also the hurricane is a racist sexist fascist sentient storm.Ok that is some bad analogism still, fuck that guy
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
im dying that morbs still brings up dennis perrin
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 August 2018 05:27 (five years ago) link
GG seems not too far removed from d’souza-style ‘lincoln was a republican/dems are the real racists’ arguments. that troll life has got him in its sway
also the thing with the tennys player is just weird
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 09:19 (five years ago) link
j0rd, meet me in DC and we can have lunch with him :)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link
also this is my last post in this thread, it's been cancer
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:27 (five years ago) link
lol ok doc
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
greil marcus weighs in:
I think there are strong reasons to believe that Glenn Greenwald, like Edward Snowden, is either a Russian agent or an agent of influence—someone who believes he or she is operating independently but for various reasons, which could involve apparently independent financing or patronage, access to privileged information, facilitation through cut outs, and so on, is in fact promoting stories, arguments, individuals, and policies his or her controllers want promoted. The argument that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is, from either a right or left perspective, lunacy—unless you believe there is no difference between the US and Russia, which is to say that you believe that democracy, as practiced in the US and much of the West, is a hoax, and that politics is only a point-by-point choice between autocracies and kleptocracies.When I read Greenwald in Salon, I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion, argument, statement of apparent fact, as if to say I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME BUT LOOK AT THIS THE PROOF IS HERE YOU CAN’T DENY IT! I think that’s still an essential part of his political personality, but I think now there’s far more going on.
When I read Greenwald in Salon, I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion, argument, statement of apparent fact, as if to say I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME BUT LOOK AT THIS THE PROOF IS HERE YOU CAN’T DENY IT! I think that’s still an essential part of his political personality, but I think now there’s far more going on.
https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
like Edward Snowden
stopped reading
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
Welcome back!
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion
citations are for paranoids, blithe accusations of treason in unsupported subclauses are for rock critics
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
Tennis is really having a bad influence on him. He is anti-Serena as well, it seems.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 16 September 2018 10:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah he tweeted out some statistics showing that male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players have. Then Nate Silver tweeted back that he was not taking into account the rate at which each sex is penalized - in other words maybe male players transgress far more often, which results in them being penalized more.
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players haveThis is an...interesting argument (But probably a typo in there)
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
Or wait, you probably just mean penalized for doing things similar to whatever Serena did, sorry
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
Exactly. Sorry my bad
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
Ford’s own words regarding Feinstein’s decision deliberately ignored by Glenn so he can both sides the Dems with what the GOP did w Garland. Cool cool cool. Not at all an irredeemable piece of shit.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 September 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
That must be maddening, watching expats support a fascist when they have no skin in the game. pic.twitter.com/S05bHbCpDB— All Hallow’s Eve Not All Hallow’s Steve (@agraybee) October 8, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 8 October 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
lollll
― shwarmaduke (symsymsym), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Glenn's latest on Brazil where naturally he blames 'the establishment" more than Bolsonaro or those who support Bolsonaro's extremist views
To be sure – as is true of Trump, Brexit, and the rise of right-wing extremism throughout Europe – some substantial minority of Bolsonaro voters are motivated by classic bigotry, racism, anti-LGBT animus, resentment toward the indigenous population, and just a general tribal anger that seeks scapegoats for their plight. But many, probably most, are none of those things.
Many, instead, are motivated by legitimate grievances toward an establishment ruling class that has failed them on all levels, that expresses indifference if not outright contempt for their suffering and loss of hope, that they blame, often with good reason, for enacting policies that have destroyed their futures while refusing to accept any responsibility for it. And once that framework is adopted, any perceived enemy of that ruling class becomes their friend, or at least someone whose vows of destruction become more appealing than vows to preserve the system they justifiably despise (the reality is that Bolsonaro (like Trump), with his Chicago-trained neoliberal economic guru, will serve the economic interests of the establishment with great devotion at the expense of his working-class voters, but the perception of his anti-establishment animus is what matters).
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/08/brazils-bolsonaro-led-far-right-wins-a-victory-far-more-sweeping-and-dangerous-than-anyone-predicted-its-lessons-are-global/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 October 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
that All Hallow's idiot is in Chappaqua, hmmmmmm
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
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― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
Christ, u guys love these schoolyard callouts huh? *depantses Brad*
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
i post that that shit all the time, it's part of my fuckin routine, just like Nerdstrom's is being a paid DNC asshole
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
i would suggest the rest of you actually quit the thread, tho
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
Are you going to defend him or
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
excerpt above simply describes fascism; idk how else yall think it works unless it's just "people are hateful bigots and nothing can be done"
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
Shot shot chaser chaser etc etc pic.twitter.com/1tYEyJ0mR0— Regina 🌊💪 (@regwag2003) October 8, 2018
Man if this keeps up he's going to have to move to a walled mansion in a *third* country— asterix.asterix (@hashallthehash) October 8, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
This thread is one of the saddest things ever:
Do you guys want to see the most sad, petty & online man on this awful website? Yesterday @CharlesPPierce rt'ed the great (& prescient) parody account, @GlemGreenwald. So fast forward to this morning, when "someone", out of the blue, creates a Charlies Pierce parody account pic.twitter.com/rGVniiaYTn— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) November 24, 2018
― Frederik B, Sunday, 25 November 2018 10:52 (five years ago) link
yeah glenn's attempt at parody was pretty sad
― k3vin k., Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link