2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

where were you in '72, balls?

sometimes the answer is in the question ;)

lolz

"Yes, yes -- front, back, on our knees, bent over, sprawled out, switched up, port, stern, aft, the whole fucking thing!"

"Gotcha! Watch the teeth, lube the hands, steady strokes, maintain the rhythm!"

^^ morbs if any ilxor tossed this kind of gay baiting bs your way you'd flip the fuck out

you're an idiot.

no really you would

yeah i kinda took issue with that myself

be honest morbs, if jaymc tossed that yr way you would flip out now, don't be coy. you'd be on chat in like 3 seconds.

"Yes, yes -- front, back, on our knees, bent over, sprawled out, switched up, port, stern, aft, the whole fucking thing!"

"Gotcha! Watch the teeth, lube the hands, steady strokes, maintain the rhythm!"

funny enough this seems to be morbz's policy on dennis perrin

that perrin post is like a bad hip-hop skit

being smug about obama's cult of personality is pretty rich coming from a ron paul endorser

did perrin srsly endorse paul or are we talking morbs who has completely ceased to amaze me

lol i meant perrin but that works for both

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/01/pauling.html

loooooool holy shit

Whatever Paul actually believes about minorities and queers is not the real concern here. What bothers liberals, TNR's James Kirchik among them, is that Paul is the only presidential candidate who is seriously running against the state. This includes anti-imperialism and calls to end the Drug War.

this is disingenuous AND nonsensical. Lolz at all those pro-imperialism pro-drug war librulz...

Think the Branch Davidians were paranoid?

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050418/050418_waco.h2.jpg

Then vote Hillary or Obama. And sleep tight.

some bold, insightful commentary from tim mcveigh dennis perrin there

from that Perrin post on Paul, proving that ethan is a subliterate lil fuck:

I may not agree with most of his beliefs, nor that of the anti-statist right overall

so another lie, and bye thraid

haven't you said bye like 47 times now

morbs you keep promising to go away but you keep coming back. MORE POLITICS AS USUAL.

lol morbs resorts to the marge schott defense. saw it coming btw.

Word leaked out yesterday evening that Obama was coming to Portland to the hockey arena. Tickets were free and are already gone, of course.

Guardian reporting Hillary generally nowhere to be found when policy relevant to "experience" being reported YET was in WH when Monica happened.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/hillaryclinton.uselections20081

http://images.politico.com/global/naftasked.jpg

lol i already have the scheds from 96 on my flash drive

why didn't the press come to you then?!?

bias

anti-hoos

So none of you really care about where Obama's getting his $$$ from, huh? Even if it's the subprime/pre- and post-post-Katrina bandits? I thought his was a NEW politics...

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:48 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

hes getting it from over 1 million people, including me

yeah, to attempt a serious response to that:

wall street has and will always have a shit ton of money to throw around, and will spend on politics. i can't really do anything about that, i can only control what i do with my own money.

it seems unlikely to me that Obama will do anything for these people because they've given him a lot of money, & having a shitload of tiny donors like me insulates him from needing them too much...hopefully. big donations like that don't come from enthusiasm and belief, like an individual, they are tactical. the minimal chance at some access down the road is worth whatever figure they've given (a pittance, no matter how big it looks).

wall street types are betting people: if they're giving Obama money it means they are betting he's going to win.

^^otm

Today: yet another pretty great speech (on foreign policy)

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBFrl

lol i already have the scheds from 96 on my flash drive

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:07 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

whats your sched manana?

Sully links to this American Conservative post that's worth reading. Highlights:

I am more sanguine about Obama’s Wright problem, in part because I was not aggrieved by Rep. Paul’s association with that newsletter business, and because I generally regard most anti-racism crusades as a lot of hyperventilating by professional activists and hacks. It still puzzles me how angry and even hateful words are regarded as virtual stoning offenses, but warmongering is a mainstream, respectable, even “responsible” thing to do. For the most part, the former are awful but do no real harm, while the latter leads to the slaughter of thousands, but it is the former that disqualifies someone while the latter is virtually a requirement to wield executive power.

The telling point is that most of Wright’s critics on the right were primarily offended by his “anti-Americanism,” a term that they deploy so frequently that one wonders if even they know what they mean by it any longer. It was his offenses against their sense of what nationalism requires that have bothered them the most. Meanwhile, the reaction in Middle America generally will often be similar to the one this reader reported: mockery and disbelief. Imagine that you are someone living in the middle of the country and have been lectured to your entire life about the prejudices that you need to overcome, and then you hear that Obama, the great reconciler, has ties to someone who possesses what you have been conditioned your entire life to believe is the absolute worst sort of sentiment, and then add to that the recognition that Obama’s actual politics are far removed from yours and then guess what the response will be to his speech addressing this issue. The very resentments that Obama was explaining in his speech, for which he demonstrated at least some understanding, were inevitably going to be summoned up by any major speech he gave on this question; it is a pity that his supporters cannot make some similar display of understanding. For my part, I have given Obama the benefit of the doubt on this, probably to the annoyance of many of my readers–should the same courtesy not be extended to his critics?

Obama thinks O.J. did it.

the Wright thing is pretty obviously hurting Obama in the polls:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105205/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Moves-Into-Lead-Over-Obama.aspx

Most of that was taken prior to Obama's speech yesterday.

Having said that, I think the speech -- great as it was -- will help him far less than I gather many of you think it will (especially in the GE).

It's only March and the GOP are still palpably more worried abt facing Obama than Hillary. Who may well have her own problems to rise above in the next few days.

man rap moves fast with the internet:

Crooked I, on this week's hip-hop dx freestyle over the big dreams beat:

"this how us criminal's ride
i talk reckless like john mccain's spiritual guide
i talk greasy like barack obama's preacher
but on the lyrical side
so greasy it's like my lyrics are fried"

Yeah, I don't think the speech is going to help him enough either. Question is more whether the media continues to run with the issue and how it plays the issue. Obama's opponents (I think this is primarily the right's doing but maybe Clinton too) have gradually been planting doubts in people's mind, building this narrative that Obama is a mysterious stranger who can't be trusted and is secretly anti-American in some way or other. The Michelle Obama comment played into that, the Wright coverage really fueled the fire, and now they're going to try to make political hay out of other connections Obama has, and even more tenuous ones may stick if people buy the overall narrative. That's my concern anyway.

I'm almost afraid to hear my in-laws' take on this. They had started to come around to supporting Obama, and they're exactly the sort of voters who I fear could be swayed by this sort of thing.

BTW, I think Gabbnebb above called me a "Clintonista," which I just want to clarify is not true. I much prefer Obama. I'm just concerned this issue isn't going to go away so easily, and I hope the Obama is crafting an ingenious strategy to deal with this without looking overly defensive.

the Obama campaign

dude its March. the media is hyperventilating about this crap right now because the primaries are draggin on and they need fodder. there will be bigger issues than this that bubble to the fore between now and the convention, and especially between the convention and the GE.

i guess you know you live in berkeley when nothing wright said sounds very surprising or shocking at all. he sounds like everyone I knew in college.

^^^ yeah, I was like "lolz, Ice Cube record"

yeah, none of it sounded shocking to me either - had lefty grandparents, went to a mostly black high school in DC, etc. But I think it's obvious a lot of America does not appreciate the context of Rev. Wright and Trinity Church.

Believe me, I hope this does blow over. I'm not suggesting anyone switch their primary vote. Even if this turns out to be real baggage for Obama I still think he's ultimately the stronger Dem candidate.

the thing that caught my mom off guard -- she got most of what Wright was saying but the bits about manufactured AIDS broadsided her, she was shocked to see the crowd applauding a 'conspiracy theory' -- and I found myself talking about that sample at the beginning of PE's "Meet The G That Killed Me" & Ice Cube records released 18 years ago, these ideas are multi-platinum mainstream

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton bluntly challenged Barack Obama to agree to new primaries in Michigan and Florida on Wednesday and said it was "wrong, and frankly un-American" not to have the two delegations seated at the Democratic National Convention