bg correct about face/off which is bigger than mere ranking, it is the actual tetsuofication of an entire genre
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
I wasn't talking iii -- Brad Bird's was "Ghost Protocol" which is infinitely more fun and stylish than "Rogue Nation". By some distance.
― An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
Knight and Day is awful
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
otm, ghost protocol is rad af, brad bird should be forced into live-action directing forever imo xp
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
all wrong god help me all wrong and what a mess
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
ghost protocol is fine, but it has all kind of inverted emphasis.typically the weird stunts and physical stuff are supposed to be in service of the caper part, and the most memorable action scenes to me are the cars falling at the end, cruise doing all kinds of acrobatics to get out of jail. neither of which is directly caper-related!
the actual caper parts are like trying to distract the indian businessman and slowly rolling a decoy rig through a hallway
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
it also seems weird that the title is basically "this is what happens when you're disavowed" but Hunt gets disavowed or ditched in every damn movie
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
Knight and day really remarkably bad
― Centipedes? In this economy? (wins), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
I never watched that one because it looked horrible
fwiw the second Jack Reacher is incredibly boring
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
Is Simon peg still in these, and in them like a LOTThat was the thing that bothered me about the last one I saw, he was in basically every scene doing his hilarious jokes we all love so much and I was just this is too much screen time for this character
― Centipedes? In this economy? (wins), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
he's in there a bit too much, but he's the personality and tom is the face. unfortunately that's what we get
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
there
there was a second jack reacher?
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
the title specifically explains the use of the endeavor
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
kremlin scene in ghost protocol is probably my favorite single moment of the series. i'm feeling the deems opinion that rogue nation is better though
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
I mean, I enjoyed the heck out of the Kremlin scene buuuut
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
i mean you're right it is just them slowly rolling a decoy rig through a hallway
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
a thrilling slow roll regardless
anytime the setpieces in this franchise involve almost unbroken silence >>>>>>>>>
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
I am sold on the fact that one of the trailers for the new one has an extended reel of Tom Cruise falling off of things, running into things, failing to jump on to things, and getting hit by vehicles. This is what I want.
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
Would watch 2.5 hours of Tom Cruise in freefall, just occasionally ricocheting off of things.
― Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Haha yeah my sister was saying that it just made him look shit at everything
― Centipedes? In this economy? (wins), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
ethan hunt is the living manifestation of falling
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
III was overrated because it had PSH in the (fairly atypical) villain role
Gave it a bit more cred, even though he only has two big scenes iirc
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
Rogue Nation by a very slight amount over Ghost Protocol, Rebecca Ferguson tips the scales.
McQuarrie is an exceptionally good director now, it’s kind of amazing how good he’s wound up being at these films and even moreso considering his career was looking finished in the post-Way of the Gun/pre-Jack Reacher era. Valkyrie and The Tourist not exactly inspiring as the only credits to hold down the dozen years between.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
Oh and I guess the "personal" angle was considered novel, even though it was a totally unnecessary route for the franchise to go down
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
MI:3 feels vv slight, feels like you could plug Jennifer Garner in there and make it an Alias reunion TV movie.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
That does slightly neglect McQuarrie's role as fixer on almost every Cruise project, although we're obviously not privy to the specifics of that role
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
true I guess but it’s weird that he hasn’t gotten many opportunities from other places. Maybe he found Xenu?
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
Tom Cruise for James Bodn
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
Rogue Nation is my fav but havent seen 2 or 3
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:38 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtaf at this shocking mistreatment of the greatest line ever uttered
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
Ethan Hunt's chronic inability to stay in vehicles or on top of buildings and concomitant hyper-facility wrt correcting for his incessant falling and flailing is kind of like that thing where in gym class I was amazing at dodging the ball and was always the last one left on my team but couldn't actually hit anyone with a dodgeball if my life depended on it.
― Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
I remember liking the De Palma one at the time, despite not remembering anything much about it now beyond the pair of opening and closing set pieces.
I remember disliking the Abrams at the time, even though I remember even less about it now. It's funny to hear that people overrated it on the basis of Hoffman's performance, because I recall him being under-utilized.
The Bird film is the best pure action movie I've seen in decades--a statement that would probably carry more weight if I watched more current action flicks. Beautiful, elegant, and inventive--the antithesis of the pummelling Michael Bay style that largely keeps me away from the genre these days.
Haven't seen the others. Is there any real continuity to the series, or are they basically Bond films: separate adventure stories with the occasional callbacks to characters and incidents from prior entries?
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
There are some throughlines in the recent ones, which apparently carry through in a fairly pronounced way in the new one.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
The first three are basically standalone films more in the traditional Bond sense, zero callbacks to the other films unless you count the carryover presence of Ving Rhames. The Hunt character is completely different in each film too. Going from ice cold agent to hot blooded loverman action guy to put upon domesticated Abrams hero.
The last two and presumably the new one have more carryover and seem more consistent. It’s virtually a separate trilogy and a total reboot.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
I think PSH being underutilized added to it. That's the one thing Abrams does OK if he sticks to it -- having villains that seem genuinely intimidating as long as he doesn't have them on the screen too long. He overplays it half the time!
So uh the Abrams movie is basically him doing a more concise first season of Alias, can anyone really disagree
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
I'm really mixed on whether I think having the wife character (played by Michelle Monaghan) reappear is a good idea. Depends on how they play it, but I thought the somewhat write-off in Ghost Protocol was a good idea but, at the same time, the reveal felt like dead weight in the plot
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
oh man, from the wikipedia article on MI3, after they explain the revolving door of directors/writers they went through:
After a dispute over the film's tone, Carnahan quit in July 2004. Tom Cruise then called J. J. Abrams, offering the directorial role for the film after having binge-watched the first two seasons of Alias.
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
Had no idea Abrams directed all of those episodes. Impressive stamina, m'man.
― Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
oh we spoiling now cool
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
she's in the trailer...
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
my issue with mi3 is that it's ugly as sin
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
man a Joe Carnahan M:I would have been...something.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
Carnahan regrets that cinemagoers never got to see his version.He says, “Were we going to do something that would have kicked the s**t out of the movie they wound up doing?“Absolutely. I’m not even going to shy away from that. I know the film we made was going to be better because I thought it was important. And the movie we were making was about private military and what’s going on in Africa.“I had Kenneth Branagh playing a guy who’s based on Timothy McVeigh. And I think the cast that we had–Ken, Carrie-Anne Moss, Scarlett Johansson–that’s the biggest heartbreak for me because I saw how amazing they would have been.“If you would have seen Carrie-Anne Moss move with a handgun after a month and a half, it would have blown your mind.“And we had flat-out the two best mask reveals in the franchise history. Like those mask pulls dealt with major plot stuff. They weren’t just these cartoony things.”
He says, “Were we going to do something that would have kicked the s**t out of the movie they wound up doing?
“Absolutely. I’m not even going to shy away from that. I know the film we made was going to be better because I thought it was important. And the movie we were making was about private military and what’s going on in Africa.
“I had Kenneth Branagh playing a guy who’s based on Timothy McVeigh. And I think the cast that we had–Ken, Carrie-Anne Moss, Scarlett Johansson–that’s the biggest heartbreak for me because I saw how amazing they would have been.
“If you would have seen Carrie-Anne Moss move with a handgun after a month and a half, it would have blown your mind.
“And we had flat-out the two best mask reveals in the franchise history. Like those mask pulls dealt with major plot stuff. They weren’t just these cartoony things.”
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:59 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
deems i'm explicitly on this board to troll you, get used to it
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
The budget on that thing was $150 mil and it looks like trash.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
that description of the hypothetical Carnahan one sounds equal parts amazing and horrific
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
MI2 has major issues but at least it looks major-scale.
it's especially noticeable when you're watching all of them bc the rest of the movies are p beautiful and have outstanding individual shots (the scene of kristin scott thomas wandering through the blue fog in the first one knocked me out recently and i've seen that movie a million times bc i was obsessed with it as a kid.) mi3 has the color palette of quake 1
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
the whole dinner party scene intro might actually be an alias episode with the dialogue hastily rewritten
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link