2008 Primaries Thread

OH YEAH! TWO Cali counties for O

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Ned, is your Dad still a McCain fan?

total delegates so far as estimated by cnn:

clinton: 371
obama: 306

total delegates so far as estimated by fox:

clinton: 624
obama: 518

Ned, is your Dad still a McCain fan?

I'm trying to remember when I said he was! I've no doubt he admires McCain's service as a fellow Naval Academy grad and all but I don't ever recall him being a dedicated fan, honestly. He voted Nader in 2000 and is strongly considering Obama this time around. Voted Kerry in 2004 IIRC.

rove has an encyclopedic knowledge of voting trends and history and demo info etc. about nearly every county in every state and it was really interesting to hear what he had to say, both bcuz he's really fucking smart and bcuz it's interesting to hear what a republican that doesn't give a fuck about public perception (unlike hannity or wallace or whoever) thinks (this applies for ari fleischer on cnn as well).

Chris Matthews, speaking of Obama, brings up Robert Kennedy's assassination. Nice.

Chuck Todd projects that when CA is all accounted for, fewer than 10 delegates will separate them, not counting the supers

xp to kingfish

obama wins states that Dems don't because he appeals to people who ordinarily wouldn't consider Dems

Rove's point still might not mean anything if only Ohio goes blue along with the '04 blue states this year. Just sayin' Shrug.

made a good point (dunno if it's been brought up here) about barack winning states that dems have a 0% chance of winning in the gen election.

You can say the same about McCain. Rove doesn't, tho, because he's a GOP strategist.

mccain can't win florida or california or missouri?

hillary won states she's lived in or states next door to them, states dominated by urban liberals, and a state dominated by old white folks and hispanics. obama won states with significant populations of independents, southerners, and rural folks.

I think some of you guys get turned on by fearing the GOP. Just admit it.

What I found really weird about the McCain hate on WABC was some of the specific reasons cited. I can at least sort of understand why someone might be attracted to the general conservative philosophy of small government and (the appearance of) every man for himself and low taxes and whatever. But they were calling out McCain's opposition to ANWR drilling and his support of McCain-Feingold. I mean is there really a significant constituency of voters out there who is frothing at the mouth to open up more natural areas to oil-drilling and has strong personal feelings that campaign contributions should not be limited? Or does Exxon-Mobil just like hand these hosts a list of talking-points stapled to a check?

yes

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

or were you saying yes to the last question

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mccain can't win florida or california or missouri?

Look at the states he won today. He was swept in the South. He won the Northeast. Yes, he won California. That does soften the picture for him.

I think the lesson from all these delegate counts is that no one knows a fucking thing, really. I do wish they would start showing delegate counts w/o the superdelegates, though--seems like a concession to the Clinton camp.

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed and hope Cali looks better when I wake up.

anyway i'm not trying to play cpt save-a-rove, just saying he was a good talking head

He is a good talking (pin) head.

Rocked out with Ellison & Rybak tonight. Obama fever in MN. Way beyond expectations. Minneapolis killed!

ughhhhhhhh fuck you california
bunch of tards voting for edwards

dude where was that?? i... did laundry after voting

xp

the Edwards people voted before he dropped out

morons

yeah, absentee voting didnt really help this early, now, did it

Obama's a full percentage point ahead in MO with 99% in.

Clinton won 5 McCain states, 2 Huckabee states and 1 Romney state
Obama won 4 McCain states, 2 Huckabee states and 4 Romney states

couldnt cali stick to sucking schwarzennager's cock and stop fucking up national elections too

Calm down, Beavis.

My name is Californiholio! I require TP for my bunghole!

capn save a cali

if he carries NM, obama will have taken every super2zday caucus state

CNN estimates that, across the Democratic primaries, Barack Obama got 48% of the popular vote and Hillary Clinton 49%.

Deej, as noted above, that 11% for Edwards doubtless drew on a hell of a lot of early votes made when he was still in the race. On the GOP side, Giuliani pulled in about that amount in turn last I checked. I agree that's a flaw but it's not a unique one to California's setup.

Meantime, had things been winner-take-all in California, instead of scoring a share of delegates from California, Obama might have had NO delegates. And the superdelegate situation, which is indeed kinda ridiculous, is a national party deal rather than a state one.

Just saying.

i miss edwards already

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

for lolz

new mexico very close, bill richardson's beard unable to seal the deal yet

I find it kinda weird that you guys have such a democratic way of choosing presidential candidates (ordinary people actually get to vote for them - in here choosing a candidate is done inside the party), yet a democratically questionable way of choosing the actual president (the one who gets a bigger amount of votes on a national level might still not win).

tell me about it

the county data indicate that while Obama beat Hillary in Republican territory in Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois*, Minnesota*, and Utah, they pretty much split Republican territory in Alabama, Colorado, Delaware, and Georgia (where Hillary did better in the most Republican parts), and Hillary won the map in Missouri.

*for the most part

upshot for me is Obama is more popular (or less unpopular) in the rural, outdoor-oriented West/the more pacifist Northern tier, including the upper Midwest, while Hillary's still equal or better among whites through the Southern tier, including the lower Midwest.

Alaska's coming in...looks like Mitt in the lead

(among democratic primary voters, of course)

x-post -- In the fine tradition of Ted Stevens and Don Young

Mitt could win THE BIGGEST STATE!

(..in square miles)