Frederik is more dangerous than Hannity
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:46 (six years ago) link
btw about 5000 Americans know what the intercept is, you brie-eating fucko
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
The Simpsons are "Fox contributors" btw
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link
If we lock this thread will it trap Fred B inside forever?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, June 15, 2018
https://moviesijustwatchedforthe1sttime.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/phantom-zone.jpg
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 June 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link
There was a more recent post in this thread worse than Fred saying “idiot” a few times. I MIGHT have flagged it. Just a heads up.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 16 June 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link
lol
https://www.rt.com/usa/432042-greenwald-rt-interview-moscow/
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
It’s particularly grotesque how he downplays the child separation policy here. Like you can “whatabout Obama” to a point but to avoid mentioning the logistical crisis of housing and reuniting the families that the current admin is dealing with indicates an attempt to hide that something substantially different is happening now.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 6 July 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
The agency that deports people is ICE, which was created under George W Bush and expanded under President Obama. Families were often separated, children were put into cages under President Obama. So you can go down the list and see many of the same policies that get so much attention under Trump that got very little under Obama.
is any of this false objectively?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
it is funny to complain about the right using scapegoats right before you do the same. do you expect people to not remember that the Democratic presidential candidate voted for the security state that created ICE in the first place?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
Yes yes “everything is the same” is a good way to cloak the fact that your politics have no empathy.. Follow the news better. They openly bragged about how the current policy is different. “Zero tolerance”. And also again, the current logistical nightmare involving the housing of the migrant children I.e something different is going on. Also the president calling immigrants “vermin” etc
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:19 (six years ago) link
nobody i know of is saying "the same"
but there is such a thing as trodding a path, whether for this or droning families (which few cry about under any president)
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
Speaking of droning. And trodding a path.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
don't you guys get tired of this shit?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
I'm tired of Adam's shit, for sure.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
immensely tired. it's also fun to make fun of people who continually suck ass and are annoying and GG is tops in that
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
far behind the reg posters here
i passed "tired" 8 years ago
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:01 (six years ago) link
I think this is the most revealing part:
RT: There are anti-establishment voices on the right and on the left. How has the perceptions of the left and the right shifted?
G.G: I think, in Italy you see, for example, that what is traditionally the right and the left is changing very dramatically. There is a government in place formed by a coalition of what traditionally has been called the left and the right. But they are now really called more opposition to the establishment.
In the United States for a long time this shift has been taking place. Two of the most important protest movements in the US – one was the Tea Party, the other was Occupy Wall Street – were both perceived to be on different ends of the political spectrum. Yet they had very similar issues in common. They were protesting the bailout of Wall Street after the Wall Street crisis, the domination of corporations. When Donald Trump ran for president, even though he was perceived as a right-wing candidate, he did so by criticizing the Iraq war, by criticizing American militarism, by promising to ‘drain the swamp’ of corporate influence.
You see a similar dynamic in Brexit, where there were elements of the right and the left against the European Union. I think that left and right as we understood them for the last four decades are starting to morph into pro-establishment and anti-establishment dynamics and that will only continue.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:14 (six years ago) link
Does anyone really doubt anymore that the reason it seemed as if he did anything he could in autumn 2016 to hurt Clinton and help Trump was because he supported Trump?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:18 (six years ago) link
No
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link
I mean, he goes on RT because they pay him. He goes on Tucker because they pay him. He’s a venal sellout who stands for nothing. This is completely obvious.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link
I don't know, he seems to stand for plenty, it's just that it's either aligns with, or is easily co-opted by, right wing authoritarianism.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:53 (six years ago) link
He is one step away from realising that, hey, the establishment is pretty Jewish? And then there will be no contradictions in his thinking anymore.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:54 (six years ago) link
Sorry, he is two steps away from that. It's probably 'rootless cosmopolitanism' next, or something like that.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
Some fun quotes from back when he was every lefty's favorite Bush-basher:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6R8bUcAEDV_z.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6SmIU8AAE8jj.jpg
It's really hard to imagine how he ended up supporting Trump, isn't it?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link
Wow
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
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― El Tomboto, Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:53 AM
put down the Danish crack pipe
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
GG supported the candidate who called for his friend Snowden's execution -- got it! That makes Obama's "rope-a-dope" look like... well, a much smaller Centrist Democrat fantasy.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
sadlol
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
I enjoy dismissing your irrational defensiveness about this racist Fox News nincompoop more than you enjoy calling me a centrist
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
You're really basing your defense on a fantasy of GG and Snowden being bffs?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
What principles of Greenwald's do you think Morbius actually supports? Or is it just Greenwald good, Clinton and Obama and the Democrats bad, Trump a non-factor?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
“principles of Greenwald's”
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
Scott at LGM points out this gem, which is delicious
G.G: No, if anything, it’s convinced me that it’s more unlikely than ever. There are factions within the intelligence community of the United States, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI that hate Donald Trump and will do anything to destroy him, including leaking classified information against him. I believe that if there were evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russian government, when it comes to the hacking of the DNC or the John Podesta emails, we would have seen it by now.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
ha hahha what in the actual fuck. unless his objective is just bare-faced accelerationism then I’m worried he may be suffering from a brain parasite
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
the Clintons = racist Goldman Sachs nincompoops
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
(also enthusiastic recipients of Trump cash)
But what do you think that has to do with anything? And would you, like GG align yourself with straight op Italian fascists to combat Clintonistas? That's the point.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
i dont know what youre talking about. i havent even read a Greenwald column in weeks/months. so grind away.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
So it really is exactly what I said above. Greenwald good (you don't even have to read his work to know so), the Clintons, Obama, and the Democrats as a whole evil, Trump a non-factor unless he can be used as a weapon against the Democrats. Quite a worldview you've got there, Doc.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
my worldview is ilx can eat shit
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Morbs is a committed blue voter he just hates his options most of the time, and I think he reflexively defends GG because the-enemy-of-my-enemies etc
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
he goes on DemocracyNow too btw... so is he a racist Amy Goodman nincompoop too?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Half a mil per year isn’t interesting enough so he takes paid time on Tucker and RT.
Note that according to First Look's IRS filings, it appears Greenwald is receiving 3 times the salary his Intercept co-founder Laura Poitras is. Which is outrageous, considering that Greenwald's career was made by the Snowden story, which was Poitras's scoop, not Greenwald's.— Idrees Ahmad (@im_PULSE) July 15, 2018
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
dog kennels are expensive
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
xpost dumb take. Greenwald was a pretty big deal pre-Snowden.
― President Keyes, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
gonna risk stepping in it majorly here and ask: is Poitras actively doing stuff? I feel like I haven't heard much from her since Citizenfour.
― Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
poitras stepped down from the intercept in 2016 iirc
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
this is an important conversation
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
she runs- is exec producer and co-creator at https://fieldofvision.org - still under first look.
without knowing what the expected relative wages for their respective roles would be this is just wild conjecture used to dismiss a hate figure
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
She had that Assange-related film that came out two years ago (essentially the arc of her disenchantment with him, apparently).
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link