as the choirboy bashed the bishop
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link
were you ever an altar boy, tom?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link
What are you implying there?
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I was an altar boy. Thankfully never encountered any paedos, but when you think about the scale of it prob was pretty lucky. I mean not saying every single parish had a paedophile priest in it but eg the parish next to where I grew up in Dublin did.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link
All this stuff is basically the biggest reason not to be patriotic and the one thing I want to say anytime Irish people do their "oh we're so fucking great..what a country" thing...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
tbh, the alcoholism and self defeating negativity blamed on absloutely every other country ever, or at least the next county, is the biggest.
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
negativity only refers to matters outside the property market, obv
I was an altar boy, no paedos either thankfully but when we moved to prestwick in '83(and i had long stopped being an altar boy as i didnt want to do it again in another parish where things might be done deliberately), after a few years the parish got a new priest, and a few years after we moved to Hamilton in '91, the daily record had a story about how that priest had been found to have abused kids in the 1970s in Irvine. I dont know if he ever went to jail or anything as he had been shipped off to the home for paedophile priests in canada. Makes you wonder why he got moved to our parish in the first place. I bet they knew what he'd done, and just moved him 5 miles.Makes me hate the church so much more than i already did. Though I feel sorry for the genuine priests , it must really hurt them to get tarred with the same brush. But those who covered it all up are scum and it's disgusting that they never get prosecuted.
I'm staggered that none of the people in this report wont get named or prosecuted. Those who covered it up must run right to the top of the church and government.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link
hah, implying nothing, was just asking if you were an altar boy (since most boys at catholic primary school in the west of scotland tend to be altar boys)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link
But you try telling Americans that...
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
doesnt just apply to american wannabe irish people
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link
most boys at catholic primary school in the west of scotland tend to be altar boys
Really? There were ~200 boys in my primary school and I only remember a couple from every year ever even thinking about it.
I always thought the Christian Brothers aren't/weren't priests.
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
The other thing that doesn't actually bear thinking about is Africa. How many paedophile priests got shipped off as missionaries? I say that as someone whose uncle is a missionary, obviously there are good priests out there, but you can only imagine they must have packed off a load of the worst ones wherever they could, and they could prob get away with a lot more in some parts of the world.
x-post I think the Christian Brothers were priests. The other thing is as well as sexual abuse, physical punishment was rife in the schools. Even my Dad would say today some of the brothers were sadistic fuckers.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
onimo, at my primary schools almost all of them were (mind you, they werent very big schools, so that might explain it). If i had grown up in Hamilton it may have been different as the catholic schools here are huge ,as it happened the place i lived in where i was an altar boy was a wee village 5 miles outside hamilton only a couple of miles from Larkhall.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link
My mum got a scholarship to a school run by nuns in Bothwell, and she says they were all lovely kind people. A few of them you might be a bit scared of like you would with any teacher, but on the whole they were really nice. She says it wasnt like convent schools are stereotyped as.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
at my secondary school in Ayr, i'd bet less than half of the school ever went to mass. Most of us only went as our mum (in my case) or dads went. My dad isnt a catholic and generally doesnt have much time for religions.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
About 4 people in my year at school went to priests college, none of them made it to the end.
My grandfather went to a Christian Brothers place in or around Derry and told me there were a few nasty bastards there but it was all physical/corporal punishment rather than sexual abuse as far as he knew. That would have been sometime around 1915-25 I think.
I had always thought "Brother" = "Layman working for the church" - though I'm sure priests were involved in the running of the organisation and in the covering up of the abuse.
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
The other thing that doesn't actually bear thinking about is Africa. How many paedophile priests got shipped off as missionaries?
i hadn't even thought of that. It's just scary to think about.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post yeah you may be right that they weren't priests, I'm not sure actually myself. I think my Dad would have had similar experience as your Grandad, corporal punishment seems to have been common in the day schools. I suppose it was boarding schools and orphanages etc where the sexual abuse went on. The really horrible part about it is that it was almost like a ripple effect from the state having such weird religiously tainted ways of dealing with orphans/kids born out of wedlock etc etc...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
My grandfather left Belfast when he was 6 months old in 1899. He died when I was 3 months old. I assume he had relatives in the south, i hate the thought of anyone going to those places.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60996841.html
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
damn you need an account to read it
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
The really horrible part about it is that it was almost like a ripple effect from the state having such weird religiously tainted ways of dealing with orphans/kids born out of wedlock etc etc...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:10 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
what was amazing to me was it wasn't just orphans and kids born out of wedlock, but if a kid just skipped school he might end up being sent to an industrial school. they were run as moneymaking scams, taking big sums from the govt and spending the minimum on care, and they had a constant appetite for new recruits. so when there were insufficient orphans, so they went around inventing reasons to take kids in.
― joe, Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
but it's about how the bishop covered up about the priest i mentioned upthread
what was amazing to me was it wasn't just orphans and kids born out of wedlock, but if a kid just skipped school he might end up being sent to an industrial school.
Indeed, the judiciary were as culpable as the Church and various governments which, uhhhhhhh, doesn't leave much
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
no wonder names have been kept out of it and there's no prosecutions.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link
christian brothers sued for anonymity in the report
going back a few years, the church have paid 100m to the govt, in return for complete indmenity against all further compensation claims. ie- the taxpayer will pay for most of these cases.
cardinals have resigned due to the public uncovering of their lack of co-operation with legal investigations, using canon/church law as an excuse.
i'm glad i was never religious to begin with.
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
i can't believe more than one of yous was an altar boy! You dorks.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
you weren't one?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i bet you were an altar boy at st john the baptists in uddingston but you just dont want to admit it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i was forced to go to church until i was 13 so i went to st johns + st brides in bothwell every Sunday but i never wanted to be an altar boy and we used to make fun of the altar boys for being religious.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
although most of them weren't, never really understood that.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
they just liked ringing the bell or whatever.
how on earth can the Christian brothers sue for anonymity in a report that reports criminal acts? Is it a civil report? Either way, bunch of cnuts.
― problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Stealing the communion wine seemed to be a popular pastime.
xp
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Euphemisms-R-Us
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:10 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, that was badly phrased. I always feel bad about all these horror stories of the catholic church, because although I'm not at all religious and have no interest in it my experiences with the catholic church and priests is as positive as can be. Our school chaplin Father Miller smoked, drank pints, went to Celtic games and drove a convertible, he was cool.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
communion wine is minging.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i bet you love the smell of incense, jim ;)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8381119.stm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 November 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
It wont harm The Priests album in the charts though I bet.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 November 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
what amazes me now...thinking more on this, is the motivation behind the cover up. it just seems the most irreligious sentiment imaginable, we can't reveal that a man is raping children because then the faith we represent will lose credibility. what the fuck do you represent if that's what you're doing? good riddance to them.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 November 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
institutional religion in the gutter
― velko, Thursday, 26 November 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
20 years ago you could rape a child in the street
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 26 November 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8556659.stm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
..... almost used to this kind of story by now, except that it's refreshing that someone bothered to track one down and ask him a question or two.
i'd imagine that irish media won't be naming him.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Really?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe now that it's broken in the uk, but there was injunctions against the naming of priests involved (for the most part, certainly) under all of the proceedings so far.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i know i slag off your labour and democratic governments guys, but at least they don't cut deals with systematic child abuse organisations.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"oh that's shocking, oh imagine living somewhere awful like that"
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:02 (ten years ago) link
It does feel like casually ignoring horrific shit is part of our M.O. as a people. I mean, if you had any other country with the amount of suspicious devices and bomb scares we have...
― gyac, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:08 (ten years ago) link
just speaking personally like
I have experience of the type of fella still doing that, and at least as far as the local type goes, he's beyond idiocy, in the main, and yknow there's a reason most of them are intercepted long before the device gets to where its going, or if it gets there it doesn't stand a chance of working
that said, I wouldn't have called it commonplace out west, is it that much more prevalent other than towards the north or at Quinn factories?
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:39 (ten years ago) link
is there any sense at all from the media of "ah the Church has had enough of a battering these past couple of years, let's give them a break eh lads"?
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:04 (ten years ago) link
idk, first thoughts are yes to that, and then there's definitely deference from the IT and the other broadsheets, and then the most depressing thought is that well, this isn't news anymore
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:09 (ten years ago) link
i did wonder if there was some variation on "scandal fatigue" as well as the lingering deference in some quarters
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:10 (ten years ago) link
mix of all three
also afaic nothing done. the church has been publicly broken but hasn't seen individuals brought to justice nor paid anything like restoration nor been anything less than begrudging or defiant in acknowledgement.
and it still controls education infrastructure.
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:13 (ten years ago) link
so the fatigue is strengthened by a lack of any faith in the structures that should be formally moving against the legacy power, lending credence to the uneasy suspicions that change isn't coming quickly
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:15 (ten years ago) link
multiple xps
I was thinking more towards the border, Dundalk and all that, but you get a bit of it in Dublin too.
― gyac, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:19 (ten years ago) link
north side is the new border hey
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:25 (ten years ago) link
this story made me remember when a 15 year old girl in my class at my catholic school had a baby she intended to keep who was born with severe birth defects and died within hours, and hard adult voices said it was for the best. these were people who marched piously against abortion and didn't believe in birth control but they said with grim satisfaction that her cruel bereavement was for the best, as if god had done her a big favour.
― estela, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
in the long run we might all someday get those ppls learned and certain wisdom, but I hope not
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
Most talk seems to be geared around "hey let's build a memorial" rather than anything else :/
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link
Since 1824 the Sisters of Bon Secours have brought compassion, healing, and liberation to those they serve.Whether in healthcare, education or social services, in hospitals, clinics or parishes, in towns and cities or isolated villages, Bon Secours responds to a universal need: To provide to all who suffer a reason to live and a reason to hope.
― estela, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:29 (ten years ago) link
Please note: this offer excludes infants abandoned by God because their mother was a whore
― arid banter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link
re lack of coverage of this domestically
chairman of rte board is director of the firm handling the nuns pr apparently
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
I thought RTE were covering it now? They seem to have a good bit on the site atm. Was just reading this > http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0606/622045-dail-children/
― gyac, Friday, 6 June 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link
they are now! silence was deafening for days after tho
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Friday, 6 June 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link
yeah, "now" obviously the keyword here. I have a lot of problems with them and their obvious slants and biases (and the ridiculous amount of airtime they gave to the 1ona crowd too).
― gyac, Friday, 6 June 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link
I wanted to go into that more with kev there too.
the Iona/far right balance issue is a case of Irish establishment either believing that there is a silently majority out there cheering Iona on (not my experience but I won't discount it), that 'balance' requires a fifty-fifty share of coverage, airtime and moderation without regard to fact or reason (def don't discount this) or that fuckit, its better TV to have the most partisan loudmouths possible on there regardless of misrepresentation.
all options are profoundly depressing so I turn gladly to conspiracy tbph
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Friday, 6 June 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
so my dad just found out that his grandparents were his granduncle/aunt- his grandmother was packed off to Dublin to have the child and was on the boat to the states a fortnight later. she never saw her son again despite returning to Ireland twice for him.
she married in NYC, had 6 kids (including a supreme court judge?) and one of her grandchildren made contact with dad today to meet up and trade stories.
all because lol catholic church lol ireland lol 1911, giving kid to your brother to raise and leaving home forever was the better alternative.
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link
hmm seems more likely a court of appeals judge, nm
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:20 (eight years ago) link
well then, only the court of appeals you say. then he's hardly made a noise in the world at all.
― Morris the Florist meets Horace the Taurus (Aimless), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
ugh he's an anti death penalty campaigner imma call dad back tell him to call the whole thing off
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link
my old parish priest back in the newshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34504729
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 12 October 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
I had an auntie who turned out be my half-sister. I got relegated to some foam on the floor for 4 years when she moved into our 2 bedroom house, it was an early lesson in dread lol catholicism for me :(
sort of on topic:p
― xelab, Monday, 12 October 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/cesnik-nun-murder-maskell_n_7267532.html
― how's life, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link
I am watching my national news service running a major story on a woman that was miraculously healed after visiting a shrine in my home county where the virgin mary appeared on a gable along with sundry others in 1879 and tear this fucking country down please
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
Knock? Easily the creepiest place in the country I’ve ever been to.
― gyac, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
ive conducted housing interviews in day-long batches there and v noticeable strain of crazy vs the other six centres
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
Knock do some cracking holy water though, it might have cured me of the bollocking I got for greedily drinking a gulp of it once whilst "pooching" in the grown-up section of the childhood slum!
― calzino, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
I didn't dare replace it with tap water lest i got struck down.