Petition for Annoying Jews of ILX Board

Tracer Hand has jewfro.

he's an hj

I don't know why we'd need a whole board to annoy Jews -- this thread seems like it's doing plenty already.

does this mean i can FINALLY get an in to ZOG? or at least the ZOG email notification list?

i suggest that our theme song be atom & his package's "the palestinians are not the same as the rebel alliance, jackass."

i had not heard of ZOG, but it led me to this: http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm

i can't tell if it's a joke or not?

Nah I think he's a real cockfarmer.

ZOG = "zionist occupied government." The standard Protocols-esque theory that a shadowy Hebrew government runs things. To people like the JewWatch assholes (who live in St. Louis, lucky me), it's very real indeed.

There should be a star beside each Jewish user's name.

― Pleasant Plains, 22 January 2008 18:33 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

chilling

uh i was looking for somewhere to talk about simon schama's programme on the history of the jews, which i thought was very good but this is prob not the thread for that

o shit when did that start?

finished last night, six parts (i think)? my first exposure to him, thought it was great.

bear in mind tho it was all new to me, idk how 'depp' it would be considered or anything

how much it was like depp, an important consideration imo in a documentary/history programme

o ffs. i saw a trailer for it, i guess it must have been ages ago, and promptly forgot all about it. i enjoyed his history of britain back in the day so was down for this.

not a fan of Schama but i think my problems are more about the relative shallowness of TV history, i saw the new book in Waterstone's the other day and am interested

There should be a star beside each Jewish user's name.

― Pleasant Plains, 22 January 2008 18:33 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:'(

I do want to see the Schama doc, esp since the controversy over its airing.

?

that it was on a sunday?

im jewish, my dad converted so i'm missing the goldenweiss last name

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:05 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:o

xp

Activists have attacked historian Simon Schama’s documentary series on the history of the Jews, claiming it should not include his opinions on the creation of Israel.
The fifth and final episode of The Story of the Jews will focus on the relationship between the Holocaust and the creation of the modern-day state of Israel.
But supporters of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign have complained to the BBC, claiming it was “alarming” that Professor Schama should be allowed to discuss the Shoah.

ZOG = "zionist occupied government." The standard Protocols-esque theory that a shadowy Hebrew government runs things. To people like the JewWatch assholes (who live in St. Louis, lucky me), it's very real indeed.

― mike a, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So is that what those ZOGSports t-shirts I keep seeing are about?

oh right

i was ready to be outraged but i wasnt after i watched it

again, im not v entrenched by cirtue of mostly ignorance.

What are his views on the creation of Israel?

i'd assume they took exception w/ an assertion that the victims of the shoah justified a nationalist self-determinated jewish movement like zionism, but i defer to darragh who actually watched the doc which i have not yet.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/111371/simon-schama-and-bbc-attacked-over-story-jews

it's p much all in the story mordy quoted. not much a controversy tbh.

claiming it was “alarming” that Professor Schama should be allowed to discuss the Shoah.

I'm generally a supporter of Palestinian rights, but branding it alarming that a Jewish man can put forth his opinions on the Holocaust is rather alarming in itself.

that's a bit of editorializing. they get specific later & it's a bit different

Their complaints followed Prof Schama’s explanation that “it was not just what the Nazis did to the Jews, but what the rest of the world failed to do that makes the moral case for Israel”.

In the letter to Ms Hadlow the activists wrote: “We find it alarming that the BBC is giving a platform to an openly pro-Israeli commentator to make the ‘moral case’ for Israel.

“Schama’s views will go unopposed, unchallenged and unanalysed. This is a far cry from the balanced and impartial broadcasting that the BBC claims to champion.”

I dunno, sounds like I'd have some issues with his his views, but is the programme purporting to be anything other than Schama's opinions?

I can understand the objection. I think if a "historian" did a long program on "the history of the Palestinians" that concluded with editorializing on why Israel should not have been founded, folk would be pretty upset

Yeah fair point.

yeah it is purporting to be objective history, going by history of britain, but saying something "makes the case" for something isn't an absolute endorsement of that case & the bbc say "dissenting voices" are included.

i think the BBC often editorializes in the other direction; it's not like the UK media is lacking for pro-Palestinian voices.

i doubt palestinian activists agree w/ that

well sure - no one ever feels like their side is getting a fair hearing (i remember there's a great beirut study to that effect) but c'mon - ever read comment is free, listen to the bbc, notice all the london-based arabic newspapers?

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~jpiliavi/965/hwang.pdf

i think there's a feeling that the bbc in particular is a bit dodgy in this respect

look at the beirut hostile media study in that case. pro-israel commentators frequently make very strong cases that the bbc is not pro-israel (ones that i have to agree w/ as a regular listener of the bbc)

I keep reading this thread title as petitioning to annoy jews.

eg this website is totally devoted to the topic (nb i don't read this site so i can't vouch for its quality of argument): http://bbcwatch.org

look at the beirut hostile media study in that case. pro-israel commentators frequently make very strong cases that the bbc is not pro-israel (ones that i have to agree w/ as a regular listener of the bbc)

― Mordy , Monday, September 30, 2013 11:35 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's become pretty clear that media critics on both sides are convinced that every media outlet not 100% following their respective platforms is biased toward the other side. That said, there is a difference between subtle editorializing in individual news articles and presenting a long-form historical documentary that culminates in an argument for the state of israel. And whether the BBC is usually biased a different way has nothing to do with whether that's an appropriate way to present the subject.

did you watch the documentary, hurting, or are you just going off the articles you've read on the topic?

bc certainly if a historian argued that the shoah was a large factor in the creation of the state of israel, they wouldn't be arguing for a moral right for israel to exist - just acknowledging a pretty stale historical fact that 99% of the world agrees w/ (that killing 6m jews helped galvanize the creation of the state)

this is maybe a different topic but i think it tangentially relates to the prevalence of holocaust denial in islamic society - presumably bc its fact alone makes such a persuasive case for the state of israel/zionism even w/out explicit editorializing.

isn't there like a billion and a half muslims in the world? how prevalent is holocaust denial among them really

i don't think Schama wd claim to be an objective historian; i don't think any historian today wd make many claims to objectivity. his case for Israel as it reads up there cd be argued as a causal one as well as a personal opinion

really prevalent? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Holocaust_denial_in_the_Arab_world

i don't think any historian today wd make many claims to objectivity

well true but perhaps "presented as objective history" is quite close all the same

"the arab world" isn't the same as saying islamic society, just for starters

I was trying to be inclusive towards the persians

Maybe you can Gabbneb and Shakey Mo to post on your Annoying Jews of ILX Board

I have no memory of what prompted this