"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

xp Matt DC

I think he was asking in a resigned way 'again with the visitors? what the fuck, man', which would work either if this is the Xth time the Black Rock's landed, or if it's just another bunch of people drawn to the island.

If as the producers say, season 6 'resembles' season 1, it would be wild to actually have a loop and have them relive season 1, with different choices made. Given the fact that so many actors are off the show, I don't know how they'd do that and I wouldn't expect them to, but it would be clever and/or insane.

andrew - killing the oppressor/daddy/the buddha is definitely a theme. I don't think it's as literal as not killing Dad = possessed by Esau though.

It's funny, if Esau is anti- island visitors, what the hell does he do with his time when he's not possessing people?

Er, dead people.

i think some of you are over-reading the word "loophole." it doesn't necessarily refer to a LOOP like a time loop.

Yeah, i took 'loophole' as 'the way I can finally toss you on the pyre, since I can't directly'. Still, the Jacob/Esau convo seems to point to some kind of reiteration, whether it's thematic or temporal, or both.

I'm betting the loop is out as that is way too Matrixy. 'You're the 10 billionth Jack ...'

I wonder what Jacob meant by "they're coming"?

Also, knowing what we know now, Locke talking to Richard about having to "deal with" the Ajira dudes is pretty chilling.

Whoever 'they' are, Esau looked to be shit scared of them

he meant that the forces he's been gathering - in order to stop Esau from exploiting the loophole - jack, kate, sawyer, sun/jin, hurley etc - are on their way.

Widmore's 'there's a war coming and you should be there when it happens' comment to Locke is interesting in this context

Jacob must be the devil

A loophole is just an unnoticed way of making it through the rules.

I'm going to have to deal with six months of people referring to beach dude as Esau before we get a real name, aren't I? This is really going to break my balls...

I know, should be Titus

When have we ever called someone on Lost by their real world name?

When has anyone on Lost had as cool of a real world name as Titus?

Nah come on guys, "they're coming"=shadow of the statue dudes 110 per cent. not jack etc...

hence the "deal with" referring to them too

yr probably right...

So we still haven't seen the explanation for the scene where Locke, Sawyer, etc. were in the outrigger being shot at by the people in the other outrigger, have we? For awhile we assumed that it was the Ajira/Shadow of the Statue people, but now that they've merged with the Others I wonder. Perhaps Ilana and the Others see John Locke (actual) in the boat and think he's non-Locke.

I thought that was given away when we saw the Shadow people arrive on the main island in the canoe with Lapidus having an arm wound in the finale (having been shot by Juliet during that time jump earlier in the season). It wasn't explicitly stated, but I think it fits, unless Lapidus got that wound sometime earlier and I forgot.... I doubt there's anyone else it could've been, unless they decide to revisit it in season 6.

He's had that wound since 316 crashed.

Ah yeah, you're right. Still, doesn't seem like it could be anyone else logically... makes sense, they probably thought it was Ben and Locke (or affiliates) running off after having shot Cesar.

omg what if s6 - the driveshaft ring and the guitar case?? - what if charlie is alive again omg. i don't know how i feel about that, but why else those things, just to remind us of him?

dead is dead

(except when it isn't)

charlie is definitley not alive. but apparently fakelocke can take on the role as anyone whose dead body was on the island it seems. so the ring and guitar case are foreshadowing that we will see charlie next season? (hurley will think it's really him, hilarity will ensue)

I'm guessing Ilana might be quite difficult to kill as well.

The current leader managed to 'push the button' for 1 week, 8 hours, and 42 minutes.

Not a game, but a screensaver: http://www.e-axis.com/lost/

oh god James, that website mite one day end in guinness book of world records

100s of years from now

if notlocke ("noooooootloooooocke") actually changed into fakechristian in front of jack...well it might make the scene where jack and locke (as jack would believe him to be) meet again more interesting

I like the hint of the Charlie return. Not so much that the actor will come back and play him, but so that his whole S3 sacrifice to have Claire get a helicopter rescue wasn't basically worthless, since she "died" anyway. Fairly sure she is coming back, and we'll probably finally get a better look at the whole pregnancy mystery since they're going back to S1. Maybe even more Black Rock and black smoke! Clearly "the monster" has already returned...

One of the things that was disappointing about this finale was that Richard seems to be nothing more than Obi Wan Jacobi's immortal messenger boy and has next to no authority. Dude deserves better, hopefully he'll get to kick some ass with the shadow of the statue people. Looking forward to the eventual episode that shows why Jacob gave him immortality.

if anything goes wrong, ilx will be my constant

heroin can be charlie's constant

that or shit music

butties

bad english accents

fake PB

I am wondering if perhaps there is a power above Jacob/Nemesis, just as there turned out to be a level above Ben/Widmore. I think the island itself has some level of power that isn't due to Jacob or Nemesis, and probably will not be explained by the end of S6.

that power is the statue maybe?

not the actual structure but whatever it represents

aliens

One of the things that was disappointing about this finale was that Richard seems to be nothing more than Obi Wan Jacobi's immortal messenger boy and has next to no authority.

They've been hinting at this pretty much since Richard first appeared. With the exception of saving Ben's life and hitting Ellie over the head, he's done pretty much nothing but mediate.

I am wondering if perhaps there is a power above Jacob/Nemesis, just as there turned out to be a level above Ben/Widmore. I think the island itself has some level of power that isn't due to Jacob or Nemesis, and probably will not be explained by the end of S6.

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that power is the statue maybe?

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Maybe da smoke monster or whoever/whatever smokey's acting guard dog for? Was it the statue that smokey was having a face-off w in that heiroglyph?

Sorry, kind of a fixation of mine.

it looked like the statue, and it's shadow on the ground, not smokey

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LOOOOOOOOOOOL

locke & ben especially hearty real life lols

Smokey's presence is a good slow-burn lol