"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

the way Jacob said "what about you?" to ben made me think he might have been goading ben to kill him, that this is maybe what he planned for all along. damn this show's ambiguous line delivery!

well if she is dead then it's only because of the bomb which would kill everyone else too.

xxpost the episode where Richard visits Locke as a child - Richard was unhappy that Locke chose the knife. Maybe because the hunting knife represented Esau i.e. the knife that would eventually kill Jacob?

clicking around has revealed that henry ian cusick/desmond has a son named Esau heh

I wondered that too, but I think he's just frustrated that Locke didn't seem to be special (like he was telling...Jack?) xpost

Of the five O6 members who went back to the island, two went back because of Jacob or people working for him (Hurley and Sayid) and the others went back at Ben's request. That seems to suggest he has a purpose for Sayid that stretches beyond shooting Ben Linus and then getting killed.

The fact that the island is constantly moving would seem to imply that it's stuck in some sort of loop and maybe the remaining 815ers are there to end it? Basically I just want the show to confirm my theory that they're ultimately there to destroy the island.

god 2010 is so far away.

well Ben was searching all of them out. Jacob just helped the two who were most reluctant to get on the plane. xp

I'm starting to wonder if Ben isn't the real leader and Locke was just set up as a loophole by Jacob's buddy.

Seeing Ben in the second half of the episode was odd in that he seemed to be a completely broken man. No real scheming, no sinister looks, just frustration and anger.

surprised at the ppl who were disappointed by the finale, by far the best ep of the season i thought!

the guy who played jacob was sort of sub-baldwin tho would have loved it to have been an actual egyptian dude

yeah i'm starting to feel like Locke's 'special'ness all along was just that Jacob's enemy wanted to use him as a vessel

was just about to say, i liked the casting for Jacob and his enemy...curious how much screentime either actor will have next season.

i was just bummed that they got this sorta generic midwestern billy baldwin when all of the egyptian/biblical shit makes me want him to be, like, semitic.

whatever explanation they have for how locke needed to be dead in order for someone/thing else to take his form withOUT using his body, looking fwd to that (probably this time next year if we're lucky)

I was kinda shocked by the casting choice for Jacob. Thought in that first scene that they were introducing new characters who got stranded on the island in 1996 or something until I saw the ship.

ya it was a bit weird especially because I recognized him as the creepy wife-rapist from Dexter.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/7/79/5x16_Jacob_and_nemesis.png/800px-5x16_Jacob_and_nemesis.png

"Dude I can't believe they just ditched us on this island."
"Bitches, man..."

their haircuts are way too contemporary.

yeah i'm starting to feel like Locke's 'special'ness all along was just that Jacob's enemy wanted to use him as a vessel

it would piss me off greatly if all Locke amounted to was a guy duped into being a vessel for some malevolent being whose existence wasn't even hinted at until the last episode of season 5! i imagine i'm not alone among Lost fans in wanting one of the show's best characters to be special and fulfil a bigger destiny. I hope he does get resurrected in some way and didn't just die for nothing.

they've seen the past present and future so many times that they've been able to pick out what haircuts they like best

also dug american accents

Is nemesis dude wearing a tattered hoodie in that photo?

also he is wearing lame sandals whereas jacob is hardcore barefoot

does jacob have four toes?!

Maybe they sound like that because they're actually from the future and got stuck in the past. Jacob just really liked egyptian stuff so he decided to work on some tapestries while stuck on the island

^^^ like this theory.

Have we seen Ghost Locke touch anyone at any point? I'm wondering if whatever allowed Evil Nemesis to take possession of Locke was not Locke's death but actually Jack putting Christian's shoes on him.

Actually if they're from the future that I'm calling the dude in black as grown-up Aaron.

There's got to be a reason they haven't given him a name yet.

his name... is vincent!!!!!

Charlie Hume

people thinking way too hard on this thread

"but you can call me Mr Cluck"

totally forgot about Locke wearing Christian's shoes, good call

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I'll try to stop spamming the thread with random ideas for a while after this, but have we seen any evidence that any of the previous leaders before Ben ever talked to Jacob personally without Richard as an intermediary?

Have we seen Ghost Locke touch anyone at any point?

He did present the group with a boar, which doesn't seem very ghost-like to me.

unless it was a GHOST BOAR

a hundred xposts:
xxpost the episode where Richard visits Locke as a child - Richard was unhappy that Locke chose the knife. Maybe because the hunting knife represented Esau i.e. the knife that would eventually kill Jacob?

? Roz, Friday, May 15, 2009 1:21 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
In this episode Richard mentions "I've visited John three times..." by 77, so the "test" of the various items already had happened by the time Ben stabbed Jacob.. right?

Ben stabbed Jacob in 2007, I believe?

it would piss me off greatly if all Locke amounted to was a guy duped into being a vessel for some malevolent being whose existence wasn't even hinted at until the last episode of season 5!

I don't think it'll play out this way. I mean it could, but Jacob was present at the defenestration for a reason.

Okay, so these interventions by Jacob. Is there anything more we can make out of it?

Kate: he bought her a box
Sawyer: gave him a pen to finish the letter
Sayid: killed Nadia
Alana: "Will you help me Alana?"
Locke: Saved his life when Locke jumped/fell
Jin/Sun: At Jin & Sun's wedding, congratulating
Jack: In the hospital with Jack, sharing lol candy
Hurley: With Hurley in a cab ("it's not my guitar"!)

Was the "Will you help me Alana?" being acted upon once she's on the island? How did they first meet, do we know?
Was the box he bought her the same box where she buried those tapes in underneath a tree, back in season 1?
Are there more things here that lead to the same 'motive'?

Great finale though, thoroughly enjoyed it, except for the love-quadrangle and the lame shoot out at the end.

xxxp yup, so when Richard tested Locke in 1960 whenever with the various items, he wouldn't know that the knife would be used on Jacob..

oh man! I think that NKOTB lunchbox WAS the time capsule.. good call

oh man! I think that NKOTB lunchbox WAS the time capsule.. good call

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, May 15, 2009 5:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yay! Finally maybe, I may have actually discovered something on this show! :) Lost can drive me crazy trying to understand it sometimes, understanding all the theories afterwards even!

xxpost I really just meant that the reason Richard was unsatisfied with the testing was because the knife represented the hunter i.e. Esau.

Sayid: killed Nadia

That's a bit much. He saved Sayid =/= he killed Nadia.

ah Roz, fair enough, I getcha now. I thought you were implying Richard would have known that the knife killed Jacob.. But yes, if they are going the way we think they are with this Esau/Hunter thing I could see that.

On a relatively unrelated note, I still wonder why young Locke would draw pictures of the smoke monster. Hmph.

Sayid: killed Nadia

That's a bit much. He saved Sayid =/= he killed Nadia.

― butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Friday, May 15, 2009 5:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, you're right about that.

I dunno, I think Jacob had to have shown up in that time and place to separate her from her protector while she was in the middle of traffic. Same as killing her in my book.

because Nameless/Esau is the smokemonster? ie FakeAlex, FakeChristian. xxp

yeah but Esau couldn't have inhabited Locke until he died.. Locke was 3-5 years old when he drew those pictures! (if that was to me)

i took it to mean that Locke, rather than being the future leader of Jacob's people, was actually already marked to represent Esau. This is why Richard was so unconvinced about him - everything about Locke as a young man didn't seem like he was going to grow up as the leader of Jacob's people but Richard kept on visiting him because Locke himself told him that he WAS their leader.