"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

yeah he was fairly relaxed about it. possibly just bored with life. you get up, cook a herring, do some weaving, but what then

how fucking dud was rose and bernard's christmas homily though?

Which ppl who were visited by "Jacob" were actually visited by "Jacob"? Since the other dude appears to be able to take on the form of others, could he not have been Jacob maneuvering the Losties into position so that he'd be able to attack Jacob? Perhaps Alanna was the only person visited by the real Jacob...? (Also maybe Hurley and Sayid...? Perhaps the ppl visited before the flight met fake Jacob and the ppl visited after the return were met by real Jacob?)

on the other hand, do we have any indication that smokey or whoever fake locke is has the ability to take the form of other people off the island? seems like an island-based entity to me

what would be the point of taking on the coutenance of someone they don't even know?

it seems to me that we have not yet seen the influence of what jacob did when he visited the losties. he told kate not to steal again to keep her out of a life of crime, he told sawyer not to write the letter to stop his vendetta for revenge against sawyer, he told locke everything will be ok after losing his legs, he gave jack a candy bar(?)

the result of these visits is in a time fork we haven't seen yet.

x-post well I guess there were all the hurley/jack bits off the island

how fucking dud was rose and bernard's christmas homily though?

― Local Garda, Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:01 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought it was pretty lol as a representation of people who quit watching lost "wtf just a bunch of fuckers running around an island freaking out for no reason"

maybe jacob was trying to get jack addicted to candy instead of drugs and booze and nirvana

basically after the explosion, the time "loophole" will begin again somehow. seems like this entire drama begins with the blackrock landing on the island. and it's probably happened numerous times.

nirvana fuck that shit marley bro marley

btw I disagree with whoever said the bomb was the incident, before the bomb went off it looked like they had a tiny bit of a problem

cutty otm I think but obviously the difference of opinion between jacob and the other guy is that they can change the loophole, that people don't just end up killing each other, not sure what the common goal jacob and him have though, as their diff of opinion seems to be about how to achieve something...

im sick of waiting for the losties to realize their modern lives are just a fever dream and theyre actually pirates

I have to say, tho I'll definitely watch the last season, this finale was kind of a heap of shit. The whole season's lack of quality (at least after the first few eps) was heavily underlined by how surprising the beginning of the finale was, surprising because there was action/purpose/something happening. normally the seasons build to a crescendo, they just crammed it all in here and barely had enough room to tell the story. eg sayid left rotting to death by the van etc (I know what'll solve this lame plot device we used to make you think he might die, A BIG EXPLOSION)

their modern lives have probably been manipulated over and over again for centuries!

fwiw i'm not ready to accept locke as lolpatsy for titus just yet. jacob visited him for a reason, he heard jacob speak, etc etc.

but locke is dead, the locke of last few eps is just a host

A friend of mine has started calling Titus "Esau," since LOST is overflowing with biblical nods. Jacob & Esau being duelling (twin) brothers and all...

explosion of the bomb will change that. locke will not be dead next season.

there's always two people fighting for control over the island.

Jacob/other dude
Eloise/Widmore
Widmore/Ben
Ben/Locke
Locke/Jack (surely)

explosion of bomb will change whatever they need to change

Jacob: "They're coming"

"They" could be the shadow of the statue folk. but maybe he meant the 1977-ers were coming back.

who tf are the shadow of the statue folk anyways - people jacobs been cultivating off island or what

ilana already knew who jacob was

obvs we will find out why she was a mummy next season

I actually fast forwarded Sun and Jin's fucking wedding vows...

I'm not convinced that Smokey and Fake Locke are the same person (although I think it's obv that Fake Locke, Fake Christian and Fake Alex are the same person); Smokey may well be a non-sentient entity controlled by Fake X.

I guess my question is, were the Losties sent to the island to help kill Jacob or to deal with something else? Also, if Fake Locke is tied to the island, why did Jacob spend all of that time and energy maneuvering ppl onto the island? Given that Fake Locke basically said, "you wouldn't believe all the shit I've done to get to this place", it kind of implies to me that some of the Losties are there because of him; it seems kind of obvious that most of the mindfuck that is Ben's life was geared to make him hate Jacob enough to kill him and several of the Losties are directly responsible for him turning into this person (most notably Locke and Sayid).

The competing priorities here seem to be killing Jacob vs blowing up the hatch; can we trace which of the Jacob visitations set people on paths that led to those events and make any type of deduction on whether the Jacob who spurred those events was the real one?

my brain hurts too much right now to even begin. wtf show.

I'm not convinced that Smokey and Fake Locke are the same person (although I think it's obv that Fake Locke, Fake Christian and Fake Alex are the same person); Smokey may well be a non-sentient entity controlled by Fake X.

biggest sign of a link between all these and Smokey is the french dude, Montand or whatever, getting possessed in the Rousseau flashback. that's enough for me.

but the jacob visitations seem to DETER the losties paths to the island, not LEAD them there

sun and jin's wedding vows were lol because jin was like "i wrote mine down" and then it was literally one sentence! i think you could have memorized one sentence dude

btw, why did Juliet's flashback look like it takes place in the present?

I actually fast forwarded Sun and Jin's fucking

― Local Garda, Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:23 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whoa uk bonus footage

but the jacob visitations seem to DETER the losties paths to the island, not LEAD them there

Not the ones for Sayid, Locke and Hurley. Sayid was explicitly saved from getting hit by the car that killed his wife, leading to his despair and his working for Ben, that later led to him shooting Ben and sending him to the Others camp. He basically begged Hurley to come back to the island. Locke got brought back to life and was told, "Keep going, it gets better," which basically led to all of the striving for answers he's done in the series and him becoming a thorn in Ben's side.

Kind of makes you wonder what the deal with Hurley is...

btw, why did Juliet's flashback look like it takes place in the present?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:29 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yess i was like what does this modern day scenario have to do w/the show

but the jacob visitations seem to DETER the losties paths to the island, not LEAD them there

hard to say I think, jacob does seem to want people to come to the island though.

x-post whoa uk bonus footage

it was only about 4 seconds or so...prob not jin's fault, do you know how tough working for her dad is? christ give him a break.

xopst Yeah, her parents looked like 90s parents.

Maybe she is secretly 24 years old.

L O S T!

jacob's visits actually were a kind of pointless source of questions

biggest sign of a link between all these and Smokey is the french dude, Montand or whatever, getting possessed in the Rousseau flashback.

Montand wasn't like FakeAlex or FakeChristian though, he wasn't an apparition. He had a body and could be killed. He had just changed, maybe more like how Ben was taken to the temple and became an Other forever?

Following my theory, I think it is wholly unambiguous that Jacob talked to Alanna in order to get her to reveal Locke's body. I think it is also unambiguous that Sayid was saved so that he could shoot Ben and help turn him into a pawn. It's tenuous that Locke was saved so that a host could be prepared who could control the Others and get close enough to Jacob to have him killed. Kate, Sawyer and Jack were all visited at character-defining moments and given advice that pushed them in a particular direction, a direction reflected in the way they developed and changed on the island that played out in their decision to detonate the bomb. Jin and Sun's visit seems to have been meant to reinforce their desire to seek each other out; in Jin's case, it pushed him towards helping to detonate the bomb, whereas for Sun it pushed her towards helping fake Locke. We don't know what Hurley's visit did other than put him back with his Lostie friends.

There's some two-sides-same-coin shit going on here, I think.

Didn't he fall down the hole though? His body could have been down there. It's possible you could still kill the apparition.

The question is I guess, is FakeLocke an apparition?

He's a physical manifestation, but then again so were Christian and Alex.

Illana worked for Jacob - I'm assuming she brought Sayid in under his orders. But i'm not sure she knew about Locke until she found him in the cargo hold and realized that the other Locke walking around was some kind of a threat.

Kate, Sawyer and Jack were all visited at character-defining moments and given advice CANDY BARS that pushed them in a particular direction

― Unclench, y'all, unclench (HI DERE), Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OMG!! "Jacob" was one of the goons from the Big Lebowski! The one who shoves the dude's head into the toilet... not the guy who isn't housebroken, sadly. Hahahaha.

If that question upthread about whether or not nu-Locke had ever done anything physical.. Can't recall him touching anyone but he did carry in that big boar

he handed ben a weapon!

Didn't he fall down the hole though? His body could have been down there. It's possible you could still kill the apparition.

yeah but there were also corpses of the other Frenchies (who Danielle killed because she also thought they were "sick") lying around when Jin came by again so I'm not sure they were apparitions, just possessed.

FakeLocke and FakeAlex could touch things but it doesn't seem like they have a body as such.

uh didn't fake alex push ben up against a wall?

yeah that's what i said. she can touch things but her body also disappeared.

"what's in the bahhhxxxx?"

i think locke might even be smokey? they sort of hinted at it when Ben and Sun were waiting for the monster to come out of the bushes but the rustling noise just turned out to be locke. and then he conveniently disappeared while Ben had his little "this is your life" recap.

― Roz, Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:55 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink