2008 Primaries Thread

Hillary robocalled us so much yesterday (4 times!) my wife has now actually been put off voting for her, she was so annoyed

I got ScarJo and some unknown dude.

Scarjo why don't you call me anymore :(

I haven't seen but one lone Hillary sign in my 'hood in SF. It's all Obama.

Signs in my neck of OC -- Obama, McCain, Ron Paul.

^^^ me too. I haven't seen ant Romney. I 'spect if I got out to the east side (christ-bitten white-flighters) more I'd see much Huck.

My apologies if it's been posted already: Todd Purdum's profile of Young Obama.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7229169.stm

while no-one is looking (is cnn even carrying this?), the cia admits to waterboarding.

Jack Nicholson robocalled us for Hillary yesterday; he sounded like a rapist or child molester.

Signs in my neighborhood:

Hillary, Huckabee, and ... Ron Paul?

xxpost - i know, right? the timing is too perfect

yes

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/05/terror.threat/index.html

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I have seen just one Republican sign here in SF: Ron Paul

while no-one is looking (is cnn even carrying this?), the cia admits to waterboarding.

except McCain, who can now scream "NOOOO TORCHA!"

more likely he'll keep his moth shut about it, at least today

it's all paul in atx. ugh.

looks like a good day to bury bad news for the CIA

er, mouth. his moth has a mind of its own. xp

Phil'z coffee on 24th has a Hillary sign. other signs I've seen have been for Ron Paul downtown (roflz) and a bunch of Obama stuff in various spots.

except the news is not buried

the cia admits to waterboarding.

was this really not official until now?!?!

News is not buried? In the deluge of Super Tuesday coverage?

except the news is not buried

who are you kidding

if you think the punditry and the campaigning candidates are gonna stop and talk about this over the next couple of days I think you're sorely mistaken

Never said any of them would, only that the story is being reported. Are you guys listening or just reading threads?

there are different levels of reportage

FACEBOOK: daria is voting for Hillary because her #1 issue is universal health care! 11:21am

^^^^^^ lolololololol second time's the charm!

Hillarycare is a pale imitation of universal healthcare and not what the US deserves. Best deal on the table though.

haha

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What do you think of her plan, Jon?

Reading David Brooks's column today, I realized that although the Clinton healthcare plan is better on the merits, Obama's plan might be a bit smarter in terms of what can politically be accomplished:

Cooper, who, not surprisingly, supports Barack Obama, believes that Clinton hasn’t changed. "Hillary's approach is so absolutist, draconian and intolerant, it means a replay of 1993."

He argues that her more coercive approach would once again be a political death knell. No Republican will support it. Red state Democrats will face impossible pressures at home. It’s smarter to begin by offering people affordable access to coverage and evolve from there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/opinion/05brooks.html

the outlook on health care reform looks exceedingly poor to me. the success of any plan will have fuckall to do with the plan's relative merits and everything to do with the political strength of the president + party pushing it. since O shows, at this date, a much greater chance of pulling down-ticket candidates along with him, if health care is your concern, he seems like a better marginally less hopeless shot.

waterboardings all over the news dudes

gimme a break the story isn't even on CNN's front webpage

Good point. I guess it does come down to what happens in the Congressional races and how big the margin of victory is for the Presidential race, as to the degree of perceived mandate for a sweeping reform.

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Que, don't ever take away smack from pol junkies in their own thread, for shame!

guys cindy mccain is scary looking

Shakey Mo "IF ITS NOT ON CNN I DONT PAY ATTENTION" Collier

Britney HAS to try to do something today, as she always does on big political news days.

hey its not on Fox News either!

or yahoo or or ...

Is not in CNN or Fox front webpages, is on ABC, is also on MSNBCs page but hiding below another headline. Hardly stellar . You can bet on any other day it'd be more prominent. Super Tuesday is the the lead story even on AlJazeera and France24, waterboarding pushed to much less prominent positions. Fairly effective media management I'd say.

you guys don't understand mass media do you

I think we do, and how the CIA is playing it.

It's tops on Google news, on the NYT front page, and getting reported in NPR hourly updates.

I don't see why it is surprising that the confirmation of what basically EVERYONE who is paying attention has known for what, years, is not as big a story as the primary elections across 24 states. And to say "it's not being reported" smacks of willful ignorance due to some other sort of agenda.

guys, just fyi, this story came out yesterday and was on the evening news

And to say "it's not being reported" smacks of willful ignorance due to some other sort of agenda.

TIN FOIL HAT BRIGADE ROLLING THREAD 2008

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it is not being reported. Only that if it came out yesterday or tomorrow or next tuesday it would be getting a hell of a lot more coverage. Maybe it is just dumb luck, but when an intelligence agency starts putting actual faces and names out there saying we tortured these people you have to be a little cynical about the timing of their announcement.

LOL - http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obama_votes.html

there is no doubt this dude would be our funniest president in a long time

I don't see why it is surprising that the confirmation of what basically EVERYONE who is paying attention has known for what, years

cuz up to now the CIA has denied it in a "we won't say we have BUT..." way? admission is key. especially where laws are being broken.