"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

imo that would be too similar to the island 'disappearing' at the end of last season (xpost)

it would be a sweet parallel

Would like to see in finale:

-bodies of all people who died on the island found in egyptian style scarcophaguseses (including Locke)
-statue coming to life and stomping on people (what lies at the foot of the statue? you!)

or something equally jaw dropping

xpost probably will though, to parallel the hatch blowing up in season 2

similar thoughts/predictions: will somebody get kidnapped or hostages get exchanged? will the island get revealed to the outside world again, or will its connection to the world in '77 get severed?

i'm guessing w/ all the rumors/speculation upthread and elsewhere that someone major will die (although imo that doesn't carry as much weight as it used to, what with all sorts of rising from the dead and revisiting dead people in the past) -- should we have a poll thread to predict who?

im thinking the "major death" theyve been yapping about all through the season is faraday tho

My money's still on Sayid.

one site said at the beginning of the season that "the person who dies was on Oceanic 815," so i'm guessing it's someone more major than Faraday (who, c'mon, showed up in season 4).

or maybe that was referring to Locke? i dunoo.

Based on this, I would guess Faraday:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b103931_lost_major_character_death_coming.html

Didn't Jacob tell Locke to kill him? Or did he just tell him "help me" or something?

This show has been on so long I can't recall plot points from season's past.

he said "help me"

help, kill, it's good enough for me

Me too.

never asking you guys for help

I help me

"That's okay, we'll buy Microsoft"

My money's on Sawyer to get killed. They've been building his search for domestic bliss as a subplot for like a season and a half. Also we haven't had a Juliet episode yet and that's bound to contain either some big Other reveal or (more likely) a load of emo.

If this season has been about filling in what the deal was with the Dharma initiative and the hatch, next one will finally let us know what's going on with the Others. Still can't work Richard out at all. He seems such a bizarrely neutral character.

That scene with Locke and Sun was partly shit because Locke was obviously bullshitting her, but mostly because the woman who plays Sun is a shit actress. Loved the look on Jin's face when Hurley said the Korean war wasn't a real war, though.

yeah...on a narrative level i feel like the Sawyer thing is likely, because we've seen so much of him this season and it's kind of like that was his last hurrah, before we finish off with a season more about Jack or Locke or whoever.

also i kinda don't think we'll ever get another Juliet flashback episode or any interesting revelations via her. they've really tried to underline over and over that she doesn't really know much and probably isn't witholding anything from Sawyer or the other losties to try and retroactively make her part of their side.

they've had her drop a couple hints that she knows more ("I can speak Latin because I'm an Other," she seems to know who/what Richard is etc.)

When Sayid shot that Other I totally thought he shot Kate, hurray...
Eliose '77 looks weirdly like Penny.

i was really sad he didn't shoot kate

the submarine external shot looked pretty great to me (and i hated 'ben inside the smokemonster' scene visually). bloody ingrates.

the locke/alpert time loop closure was bugging me - did we really need to see it again? wasn't sure what the point was but i guess locke needed the compass to find the plane...or what?

I feel like it's sort of inevitable that Juliet knows more than she's let on, simply because she was an Other for several years before 815 landed. I mean, she certainly seemed full of secrets back at the beginning of Season 3. Obviously, Ben didn't tell her everything about the island's history, but she had to have known things that we still don't satisfactorily know the answer to -- like why the Others dressed in rags, what they wanted with Walt, what the Clockwork Orange room was for, etc. I was fine with her not talking about that stuff before this season, but now that she's been living with Sawyer for three years, I'd have thought that it'd come up between the two of them. I mean, maybe it has and they just haven't shown us because all that stuff is irrelevant to the bigger island-mythology stuff they want us to care about now.

the sub has never looked that big so wtf they've really put all the Dharma women and children in there? c'mon

mynkowski wouldn't have let sawyer, juliet and kate just leave the island either

haha i mean Radzinsky obv

wondering if Radzinsky gettin all aggro and im in control now is the beginning of the Hanso/Dharma split

Having to sit in the Swan and push that button again and again to the point that he is driven to blow his brains out from sheer despair is ample punishment for Radzinsky for being such a dick in this episode. I hope it turns out that he brought it all on himself.

Hurley being questioned about his life was one of my favorite moments. Also, Miles realizing that his father had to be harsh to his mother to get her to leave. I thought that line was delivered really well.

Yeah, I guess Miles is the one character who got to resolve his daddy issue like 2 episodes after we first learned of it.

I've got a feeling Claire will show up in the finale--like maybe Locke kills Jacob and she's all "Thank you, John" and takes control of the island.

really enjoyed the episode, but gotta say, was really really hoping for an Alpert-flashback based sort of thing as opposed to him just connecting the times. The finale will be all whiz-bang-WTF, which is great, but doesn't that mean that next season will be comprised of a fuckton of infodump episodes?

Well, at least it looks like we're going to find out what's in that fucking crate on the beach.

doesn't that mean that next season will be comprised of a fuckton of infodump episodes?

I've been impressed by this show's ability to answer questions without bringing Basil Exposition out to do it.

jaymc, i thought the others dressed in rags to scare the 815ers... didn't they admit that (dude's fake beard, etc.)?

wasn't it just to throw the survivors off the idea that there might be technology/resources on the island they could attempt to use?

right

We're never going to get a real infodump. I am fine with this, the show has always be been based on unknowable, illogical mystery. After the series finale airs I'll be tempted to avoid message boards in general - the internet nerd rage at BSG's finale will be nothing compared to what we'll get for Lost, I'm sure.

^ been tempted to make a joke for awhile now about how the lost season six thread is going to be so much more negative and vile than dudes could even muster for the battlestar season four thread.

after obsessively rewatching a lot of the 5th season, I got one good extra bit. when Widmore is talking with Locke in Tunisia, he says that the Others (aka "my people") had peacefully protected the island for "more than three decades" before he was exiled. So that would imply that the Others arrived relatively soon before the 1954 events...

Pretty sure Lost will have a better ending than BSG did.

xp

i think he meant that he (widmore) had led the others for more than three decades. so widmore was head other from circa-1960 to his exile which we're supposed to think was early 90's (post-purge), right?

correct

I think the height of the 'OMG AMAZING!' era of the Lost thread was around the second half of the third season when they started throwing new curveball mysteries at us virtually every episode. I don't think the answers are really going to be as satisfactory as the really hardcore fans would hope - is the hatch/time travel stuff going to progress much beyond "there's a massive source of energy under the island" for example.

well what about saving the world?

I don't think the island/time-travel explanations have much potential to be interesting or even disappointing. I'm a lot more curious how they address character-related mysteries, about people like Locke or Alpert or Christian or Claire or Desmond (or Jacob), and whether they do so in any satisfying or creative way or just kinda shrug "oh, they're special, it's their destiny."

I'm putting money Alpert came to the island on that pirate ship, he has the makeup for it :D

Would Locke essentially creating a self-fulfilling prophecy time loop through death and being implanted with information to become herald of the island count as being creative and satisfying? (Not being flip, but I think that deserves some credit!) I don't think they're going to get any more creative than that - it's like asking for a special reason that Desmond and Penny are fated lovers, they just are. I doubt Alpert's going to get a much better explanation than that he was a guy selected by the island to be its rep and given immortality. Christian still deserves a massive reveal, definitely.

http://mortystv.com/showcards/suddenly_susan.jpg

^^ the original others