"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

dudes. he wants to see a dinosaur. why is that hard to understand.

i thought he was suggesting some things can be changed and some can't. or maybe he just loves Hitler.

he wants to make sure no one goes back in time and kills hitler.

Adolf "Jacob" Hitler

at one point they do mention jacob is a failed painter, right?

I'm trying to remember what an atomic bomb was doing just sitting in the middle of the island in the first place.

I don't know that they explained it exactly but the hostiles seemed concerned, it was implied to have been left by the US Armed Forces that had been on the island..

So the next episode is Follow The Leader - hopefully this means we finally get to see Locke in 2007 hanging as King Other.

do none of you slavishly watch the sneak previews? there are 6 for tonight's episode!

FFM, that seems right. I would guess secret testing of their new weapon? Island is remote, almost no one knows it exists, and say if you do it's nearly impossible to find. Were their motives discussed at all?

Chang (and Daniel originally) seem to have this pretty clear cut theory about time, that it cannot be changed

I'm still guessing on this. Daniel has some science that Chang doesn't, so...I just don't know.
Some good ideas re: Chang's motives. I still wonder how much the Dharma really know about island, what that might reveal about their work there. Or maybe it's purely in the interest of science...

Am I right in thinking that after tonight, there's another one week week break before the double length finale?

Oh wait, I might be confused - Lostpedia is showing another recap episode between eps 15 and 16, but I guess that might just mean there are three in a row next week.

http://i40.tinypic.com/358xf9i.gif

(there are a bunch of .gifs here: http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_lost/29294.html)

i recently saw the solaris reboot and surprised to see faraday there playing the exact same character.

I believe there's the new ep tonight, then next week is a 2-hour finale, no break.

Re: Jughead, the US did nuclear warhead testing on islands all the time in that era, it's quite conceivable that they stumbled on a remote uncharted island and figured it was uninhabited, then tried to use it as a test site.

Fahey .gif is kinda creepy! This is pretty hynoptic though:

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/krilymccgifs/lost/epjg4g.gif

That LJ thread is freaking gold

this one is pretty classic too:

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/krilymccgifs/lost/lostfakeoutpm2.gif

sorry to derail convo, just looooved creepy Fahey .gif

i just finally caught up with all the aired episodes last night (after watching the first 3 seasons all in January) and finished reading this whole thread and am all ready to watch the show at the same time as everybody else for the first time this week and next week and....i have nothing to add to this thread really.

except that it bugs me so much when most of you guys seem to continually just assume that Ben meeting people as a kid means now he'll remember them as an adult and would 'recognize' Sayid, which seems to me like not what they're going for at all. but i guess we'll see if that's the case or not.

well Richard did say "he won't remember anything" when his innocence was lost... I am still kind of unsure about how Rousseau forgot that she once met a Korean on the island who just disappeared on her!

yeah..the Alpert handwaving thing is lame, but i'm just saying even before that, all the "Ben's a dick to these people in the future because they were mean to him as a kid!" type speculation raises my hackles. maybe i just want the show's time travel to not work that way, though, i have no idea if it will.

the only extent I'm willing to pursue that thread is the infamous "list" in s3 that had Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley on it.. I like that at the time, Sayid, Jin & Sun were together in that little boat.. I feel like maybe the "new" characters (Juliette, Miles) are going to die and the "list" will be of people who survive/become known as past Dharma members, possibly with Sayid & Jin working together looking for Sun. I'm not explaining this well. I just hope the list ends up being more relevant than Hurley as messenger & Jack-Sawyer-Kate as love triangle. Remember how much they used to push it - "he's not on the list!" etc?

lol this is a kick: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lists

too many lists! I confused ben's list with jacob's list obviously. did we ever hear of any names that *were* on jacob's list? Claire perhaps? We're running out of characters still "alive" who could have been on it, unless the list is Hurley, Rose and Bernard

yeah...i found that when i was trying to remember if that list was the same as Jacob's list.

really the whole Jacob thing is what nags at me most at this point, and Christian/Claire/cabin stuff in general. i hope the Alpert episode at least has something to do with Jacob.

I feel pretty confident they're going to address that stuff in the final season, especially since (I think) Claire is coming back.

The Jacob lists were one thing - most notably used to decide who would be kidnapped from the tail section to inducted into the Others, this is really where the "good" and "bad" people were separated. These are the significant lists that have to be addressed at some point, since the whole Others kidnapping people angle is an important thread from all the way back in Season 1 that hasn't been addressed (besides Ben's obsession with pregnant women, which also hasn't clearly been explained - still think they're saving that one).

Ben's list of Jack/Kate/Hurley/Sawyer was likely just a plot device. There a lot of lists used, but they're not all for same purpose, it's a thematic tie more than a literal one.

Ben's obsession with pregnant women, which also hasn't clearly been explained

i thought the phenomenon of pregnant women on the island all dying explained that to my satisfaction (although the phenomenon itself hasn't been totally explained yet)

So present-day Widmore & Eloise obviously manipulated certain people (Locke, Faraday & the O6 especially, but also Miles, Charlotte) because they met them on the island or knew that they were in the DI back in the day, but how did they find out about Desmond? I think he must show up in the past at some point. I hope it's not some dumb thing like Jack detonates the H-Bomb and the Island summons Desmond to 1977 so he can course correct.

the Alpert handwaving thing is lame

On an island where cripples have been magically walking again since the very start I'm not sure why you'd complain about one extra bit of handwaving magic.

there is presumably a unifying explanation behind the magic island healing pixie dust but doesn't look like there will be one for "he won't remember you" other than "for the purposes of moving the story along, we can't have him remember you" but there's always hoping.

i went and got a digi converter box so i can finally what it live for like the first time all season whut hwut

On an island where cripples have been magically walking again since the very start I'm not sure why you'd complain about one extra bit of handwaving magic.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:21 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

On an thread where the whole "he won't remember you"/"he'll lose his innocence" thing has been criticized and mocked a dozen times already I'm not sure why you'd single out my one reference to it.

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that submarine was some babylon five shit

Whatever it was, it was crappy CGI.

So I can kill him!!!

lol awesome

great episode

woah

what if jacob is also locke

yeah, I was referring to the crappy CGI of babylon five

pretty awes

"where'd you go?" "to give richard his compass back"

great episode

hurley & dr chang A+ stuff

this was really great

hurley & dr chang A+ stuff

Yeah, usually when someone in a movie or tv show gets trapped in a factcheck argument like that, it's because they're trying to convince someone else they are from another time. I love how that got flipped.

good thing for jack sayid showed up, wtf would a doctor know how to detonate a hydrogen bomb

'ok dude, we're from the future'

lol

also love how eloise is fine coming out of the pool dripping wet but sayid has to stop and fix his hair before they can move onward.