thread for ppl who aren't watching Twin Peaks Season 3

despite broadcasting a rather unhealthy portrayal of violence towards women, Twin Peaks has so far never really received a backlash that other more recent shows got

related:

https://newrepublic.com/article/117323/twin-peaks-and-origin-dead-woman-tv-trope

http://www.wnyc.org/story/beautiful-dead-girl-trope/

Of the 8 ppl I watched 1&2 with last night, 6 are TP fans mostly perplexed and disappointed with the new direction. Lynch's late (and early, which this feels like a return to) style's distance from the rhythms of classic soaps/noir are a big part of this imo.

― sciatica, Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was just thinking too like how rooted in time this was, like, 1990 was such a perfect distance from 1950s soap operas and the Roy Orbison-y songs like "Just You" to make it feel so much more uncanny/dreamlike, and now we're so A) further removed from that era and B) Any use of it would just lose similar meaning and just become an aesthetic

Did any of my tr00 peak freaks buy the cool dead woman doll

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552/1401/products/12696_TWIN_PEAKS_Laura_Plamer_GLAM_HiRes_1024x1024.jpg?v=1485796476

our own tuomas has repeatedly charged Lynch re: misogyny and conservatism, while still (I think?) being nominally a fan, I don't think that stuff has been overlooked in the discourse about this show in particular

xp

I don't *personally* know anyone into waterlogged dead women tbh

Also, Οὖτις, I've seen Cave of Forgotten Dreams and Nosferatu by this point.

*whew*

I mean, this also crosses over into the sickness that is binge-watching, the generational lie that is "prestige TV" and the worst impulses of consumptive-capitialism-as-identity-signaling; all joining forces for a middlebrow shitstorm that lets you buy dick joke T-shirts at Hot Topic.

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 22, 2017 9:11 AM (two hours ago

I preferred Whiney Season 2 with the OI MATES BIG BOTTOM BIRD NEWSIE-WEWSIES aesthetic

https://s3.amazonaws.com/coatandtails/img/blog/loglady.jpg

HAHAHAHAH and thanks for including "Perfect Shayna" as an illustration of your rant -- that was mildly cathartic

lol sarahell

but it is a bit uncanny that only days after Pippa's nuptials, Whiney has created a new meme to keep alive

cmon whiney we'll all be dead soon anyway

Hi. I am glad this thread exists. I went to grad school with one of the principles of FWWM and, after, worked directly under two people who had written/edited significant parts of TP (or, as ILX calls them "Lynch Collaborators"). All of them, when confronted with genius-auteur-gnostic-cosmic-unconsciousness series fandom, were perplexed/amused at how poorly understood was the commercial television aspect of the enterprise. I keep typing posts arguing against the elevation of Lynch and chickening out of posting them because they sound personal/"hot-takes"y, and not like reasoned counters to a decent-enough dirextor's culture appeal. And I like TP just fine! But I just... the fans have bulletproofed themselves against all criticism, and I dare not wander into the fray.

It's like a scarecrow convention up in this thread.

If you're referring to me, I actually tried to float thos things on the main TP thread and ... you can see the result.

ppl reply, it's simply awful

I actually tried to float thos things on the main TP thread and ... you can see the result.

actually I can't, just searched three threads for posts by you and didn't see any...?

In retrospect FWWM feels like it has a more obvious (and obnoxious) relationship to the pie-and-coffee stuff of the original, turning it on its head in a schematic way, repeating old lines in less resonant contexts (Let's Rock on the windowshield for example), and laboriously making explicit the horrors that were mostly alluded to before. This so far has a couple of pro forma moments early then really takes off into new territory.

ppl didnt understand david lynch in the correct manner?

kind of an inherent risk in his method tbf

xp the obviousness of FWWM is kind of a weakness imo

Dude, you responded to one of them. Different login.

I mean, let it be said, I'm a huge fan of the Peaks, I just think that

A) Adding new seasons to a show built on dead-ends on mysteries is stupid and defeats everything that the show supposedly taught a generation to understand/accept

B) Rebooting a show built on 50s detournment so far away from the original timeline is ridiculous

C) My Twitter feed has been a toilet all week

D) Most importantly, the last five years of fandom/cultural impact has turned AWAY from interesting, uses of textures and ideas like Anthrax calling a song "Black Lodge" or Bohren and Der Club of Gore making Badalamenti a way to make jazz or even Lana Del Ray making pop moves with a similar world of 50s nostalgia and gauze. In the last few years it's just been bands calling themselves "Twin Peaks" and "Pwin Teaks" and mass-produced little Dale Cooper action figures and Hot Topic dick jokes and cosplay parties and Xiu Xiu touring off a cover show. The show moved from a hotbed of unique, sui generis ideas into a single, monolithic cultural signpost.

i really want to watch twin peaks but i don't have showtime

still, none of that is as bad as ilxors using multiple logins

B) Rebooting a show built on 50s detournment so far away from the original timeline is ridiculous

uh, I don't think you understand what detournement means

oh soda is remy bean? I guess? yeah I think the challops in the previous thread fundamentally misunderstand Lynch

dunno where to start w Whiney's nonsense

xpost, yeah, i do, but i def used it wrong there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have a feeling lynch doesn't care much about C or D, A and B are literally gibberish

misusing French critical theory terms is the hipster version of a Trump speech at this point

Whiney G - situationist scholar - exciting newsie-wewsies!

just flushed me 'ole thread down the loo innit

My grandpappy helped lay a bridge over the Rhine and threw a couple of grenades in the direction of a kraut foxhole, yet the sheeple insist it's Eisenhower who won the war, its very perplexing.

Is this Whiney's hemiola moment

Guy Debord - top bloke, always comin 'ome blind he was

I've been following a stupid Twin Peaks meme facebook group and it's given me all kinds of flashbacks to all the kids of my very late teens/early 20s who were all about this shit

it's a different world, I remember one of my close friends talking about how the two local video rental places kept losing the seventh tape of Twin Peaks on VHS or w/e and how it was seriously fucking with their viewing

seriously, who was the asshole in town who was stealing one particular tape?

can't really comment on any of this without seeming all old man at these kids, but a bunch of them seem interested in film and indie/foreign/old stuff

and a heartening number of them get angry when people bring up covers of twin peaks music

Is this Whiney's hemiola moment

― Number None, Monday, May 22, 2017 4:58 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I admitted I fucked up!

I'm not sure how much *more* Lynch would need to do on his stuff to be legit considered an "auteur" by remy. n/m the fact that the very term auteur was specifically created to apply to directors working w/in the studio system - ie, guys (always guys sad lol) who were not nearly as engaged in the minutiae as Lynch obviously is what with his sole sound design credit on this (for ex). Anyone who thinks Lynch literally does everything himself on any of his films, much less a big-network show like TP, is obviously ignorant of how things work, but Lynch's involvement w multiple aspects of his productions, his experience in other fields, and his consistency across his body of work mark him as a multi-talented figure, and not someone who's just willy-nilly taking credit for his collaborators' work to advance his own cult of personality. I wouldn't say that all that evidence is outweighed by the accounts of disgruntled former collaborators. And what other major American directors of his generation are there that are so engaged - Wes and PT Anderson, the Coens, Fincher I suppose? Not a big pool.

xxp

more like farteur

Lynch is returning to TV in a world where people use the word "showrunner"

Anyone who thinks Lynch literally does everything himself on any of his films, much less a big-network show like TP, is obviously ignorant of how things work, but Lynch's involvement w multiple aspects of his productions, his experience in other fields, and his consistency across his body of work mark him as a multi-talented figure, and not someone who's just willy-nilly taking credit for his collaborators' work to advance his own cult of personality.

we all know that this is the cinematic equivalent of rockism, yes? Just checking

idgi - where am I misapplying the values of a mode of criticism?

remy's post (maybe I should link it here) is primarily about how Lynch's rep as an "auteur" is undeserved.

Twin Peaks Returns to Showtime, lets anticipate!!

the worst art gallery talk I ever went to involved an artist who had a lot of sculpture in her exhibit but was a designer/illustrator and one particular audience member had to keep asking these "so.. you don't do the sculptures yourself?" leading questions, and she would explain, no, she has a studio and designs all the figures and works with sculptors

we had that auteur discussion elsewhere, let's not infect every thread w/it

The show moved from a hotbed of unique, sui generis ideas into a single, monolithic cultural signpost.

It's early but the first couple episodes seem to do a pretty good job of counteracting this.

But as some cultural critics might ask, who gives a SHIT? Lynch certainly doesn't. If the point is that late capitalism is sucking our culture dry then, sure, I'm with you, but I guess I see the lazy referential stuff as more akin to remoras than lampreys.

I'll let it go - I didn't bring it up

xp

I zung "auteur" talk pretty good iirc

It's ok tho if ultimately this series is not aimed at people who aren't fans of the excellent 21st century films of David Lynch or knowing what words mean

Not to say that Lynch is godhead and cannot be questioned but I think the flaws in the revival will be of his own making, not borne out of a wish to pander to the cosplay kids.

the people having the TP cultural moment problems itt - especially those who haven't seen it yet - need to just wait a couple days. in a few weeks it'll be as much of a hassle for you to deal with as inland empire was in 2006 (which iirc was very little mainstream attention) because this show is more uncompromising than that film, and 6 times as long

tbh I haven't watched any new Twin Peaks because I was watching less haute couture programming being shown binge-style on the SyFy channel