Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

you can say that about everyone who ever takes a new job

maybe there's no legal conflict of interest

this is the only definition that matters

Was going to post the cover of "Country Life" but didn't want to NSFW the thread.

― Josh in Chicago

do the censored version. now _that's_ a successful camouflage!

He's a principled, honorable man willing to work across the aisles and he's definitely not going to fuck the democrats over THIS time

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thanks for posting that DJP

xxxp and hillary had no legal conflict of interest getting paid to give speeches to banks and then running for public office. but ppl generally agree that it's at the very least nagl and probably represents a conflict of interest in reality.

i'm just saying if we defeat lieberman it's not like we're going to get someone better instead. but i respect the opposition out of principle

it's a conflict of interest because Trump is a master hypnotist who used Joe Lieberman's old law firm to hypnotize Joe Lieberman into doing his bidding for the rest of his life

acc to this definition kellyanne conway could quit her job with the trump administration and get appointed as head of the FBI and there'd be no conflict of interest bc she quit her last job. this is obviously very very silly + tendentious reading of the term "conflict of interest."

Are you a lawyer?

i'm not speaking about a legal standard but a colloquial one so i don't know why a legal background is necessary

well there's also the fact that, in a gov't appointment that actually does seem to require relevant experience, he is completely lacking in any

you're looking for a different word than "tendentious", which if anything describes your position! (which i don't even disagree with.) are you aware of the term "regulatory capture"? this kind of bullshit happens in federal appointments all the time. i think joe is a slimeball and deserves even worse than the public humiliation of having his nomination defeated, but tbh when his name was floated i wasn't too mad.

i'm not speaking about a legal standard but a colloquial one so i don't know why a legal background is necessary

Because a) "conflict of interest" is a legal term that has meaning, b) the colloquial standard is not a standard, and c) even if a colloquial standard existed, it is completely immaterial to whether someone is legally able to hold a particular position.

conflict of interest is not just a legal term - i'd say even not primarily a legal term. when most ppl use it they aren't using it as a legal claim.

heads of the FDA and FTC are regularly business executives who have clashed with the agency in the past. fuckin betsy devos is the education secretary. lieberman does not have a "conflict of interest" in any meaningful sense of the word, i'm sorry. that horse left the barn decades ago

are you aware of the term "regulatory capture"? this kind of bullshit happens in federal appointments all the time.

i don't disagree w/ this at all i'm just floating why some dems might not be thrilled to hire a guy who works for a trump affiliated law firm and publicly supported flynn's appointment to the administration

btw lieberman testified on behalf of devos too

god he is the worst

ABA Model Rule 1.11:

(d) Except as law may otherwise expressly permit, a lawyer currently serving as a public officer or employee:

(1) is subject to Rules 1.7 and 1.9; and

(2) shall not:

(i) participate in a matter in which the lawyer participated personally and substantially while in private practice or nongovernmental employment, unless the appropriate government agency gives its informed consent, confirmed in writing; or

has lieberman been directly involved in any of trump's business, though? being an employee /= substantial participation

right, "personally participated" and "matter" rather than a broad prohibition, but still not a carte blanche.

trump made regulatory capture an art form with his cabinet appointments.

would not be good for us or for the FBI if he installs a politician at the head of it

Lieberman Team! Now we're sharing the same dream! And our lawyers act as one - no more laws on the run!

I saw something about Lieberman not having the right background. Was it earlier in this thread?
He was from the wrong branch of law or something so didn't have the experience in the right area to oversee procedures.
Plus he's old.
Plus his baggage.

Its weird how Wiener's weiner is now a big story but Trumps pussy-grabbin'
antics got him elected

God I hope he ain't considerin' grabbin foreign leader's pussies on his big trip!?

plus he's garbage

pretty impressive how toxic Lieberman is when even Joe f-ing Manchin opposes him.

I get Mordy's point, and I guess the depressing thing we have to acknowledge is that most workplaces apply more stringent extralegal definitions of what constitutes a conflict of interest than does our federal government.

"t was during the post-9/11 years that Lieberman linked arms with Republicans Graham and McCain, two other hawks who, like their Democratic friend, were known to thwart their party. The trio traveled the world together and became known as the "Three Amigos." So high was their mutual regard that McCain reportedly wanted Lieberman to be his 2008 running mate, though he eventually succumbed to pressure to pick conservative Sarah Palin instead."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/why-democrats-dont-like-joe-lieberman/

lolz

https://publicoccurrenc.blogspot.com/2015/06/three-amigos.html

man, how much better off would everybody be, incl THE MAV, if he'd bucked the party and picked Lieberman? i mean, he still would've lost (god i hope), but no Sarah Palin. and probably not a whole lot of other solid waste that floated to the top in her wake.

Mordy is right - just because revolving-door shit happens constantly between government and highly motivated private entities (law firms, lobbies, think tanks) doesn't mean we have to stop pointing it out. "Conflict of interest" may not be the MOST precisely-fitting term, but in its colloquial sense (relevant, as we are talking about how politicians, not lawyers, might respond to and frame this decision), it DOES well capture the kind of problem at stake: excessive coziness between the guy being investigated and the guy he's picking to continue said investigation (or 86 it). If Trump gave a shit about even LOOKING like he takes impartiality seriously he would have done something else - but then, he wouldn't have fired Comey in the first place.

the thing is Trump thinks this *is* what impartiality looks like. In both cases he thought he was throwing a bone to the Democrats.

Piers Morgan is concerned!

(Seriously, this is top comedy.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4522556/amp/PIERS-MORGAN-Stop-whining-President-Paranoid-Snowflake.html

human beings are uniquely susceptible to self-indulgent, emotional wallowing

Piers Morgan has never met our cat.

lol, according to Lachlan Markay, someone just edited Wikipedia to remove Trump's name from Joe Lieberman's law firm's list of clients.

so the answer is no, 'Lieberman is not as awful as others' is not a good reason to confirm him (also, he might be as awful)

Letters obtained by @AP show Trump's attorneys didn't want him to sign his financial disclosure forms: https://t.co/UoNPEx19Bb

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) May 19, 2017

why isn't Trump starting a new reality show a la The Apprentice to pick a new FBi leader??

not sure what the implication is there. Trump had shady lawyers?

I think the implication is that Trump's lawyers thought it would be safer for him to not certify that his financial disclosure statement was true.

Not saying it's not true, just, y'know, why pin yourself down like that, there might be stuff you forgot...

Goes without saying they are smarter than Donald Trump. Who isn't though.

Remember when Sarah Palin was regarded as dangerously unprepared for the national stage because she had "only" been a mayor of a small city and governor of a sparsely populated state?

well she was also a woman tbf

no lol xpost

i don't think her sex or relative inexperience mattered so much as her obvious idiocy

i think her obviously false folksiness didn't work as well as trump's idiot truck with no brakes.

wasn't she also in some porno's ? I guess that is oen similarity to Trump

"Trump’s hosts on his upcoming trip are well-aware of his aversion to travel and are trying to make accommodations to keep him happy.

In Saudi Arabia, people with knowledge of the planning for Trump’s trip say the caterers are planning to offer the president steak and ketchup alongside the lamb and hefty portions of rice on the menu. All the meat will have been butchered in a Shariah-compliant halal manner as per Islamic custom."