Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

assuming the repubs hold the line no matter what - which is looking pretty likely, given how good they are at it - I see nothing good coming from President Ryan or Pence, whereas the sheer shame of 4 years of Trump would help to more effectively tarnish the repub brand for a long time. plus it trashes the sanctity of the office and other commonly held assumptions about "electability" or whatever which is also good and helpful imo

the best case scenario is Trump serves the full term imo

agreed, but let me add: while no one on the supreme courts passes away.

Mookie is correct this gang is incapable of shame

I feel like impeachment and possible criminal charges would cement the shame in the minds of thickheaded Trump supporters

once again, as Shakey said, this gang (and i include the die hards Trump voters), is incapable of shame.

There is a line we just need to find it

yeah, I think the best we can hope for is that Ryan, McConnell et al are tainted by their shocking inaction in the face of all this

GOP should hit reset. The media will bend over backwards to rehabilitate these fucking scumbags in time for 2018.

BTW, keep this in mind re AHCA

Rs must pass a bill by mid-June before reconciliation window opens again in October. Means Senate and House must reckon a bill in two weeks. https://t.co/QDBq5HgRFA

— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) May 16, 2017

Getting rid of Trump just gives them grounds for that reset.

There is a line we just need to find it

lol

Otm

x3

White House sources say Trump is cursing up a storm - ranting and raving. Yelling at staffers & using the "F" word. He's losing it tonight.

— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) May 16, 2017

the best case scenario is Trump serves the full term imo

Only if there are no crises involving the possibility of war, nukes etc in the next 4 years. And how likely is that

What a lovely image!

Trump supporter Bill Bennett on Fox News: "If you looked at Mother Theresa under a microscope you would see germs and bacteria."

— Steve Peoples (@sppeoples) May 16, 2017

Trey Gowdy: he's bold.

Trey Gowdy wants to see the memo and wants to see Comey testify. "We're a long ways from a conviction," he says.

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) May 16, 2017

Only if there are no crises involving the possibility of war, nukes etc in the next 4 years. And how likely is that

Name a non-warmonger American president

Meanwhile

NEW: Admin officials on #ComeyMemo: Trump is 'completely fucked.' https://t.co/Oo2025Rj9n pic.twitter.com/MrwwOhfGnf

— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) May 16, 2017

idiot in my timeline will scream FAKE NEWS but this is how senior Trump officials are venting to @lachlan / me rn https://t.co/vJnfGwWLud

— Asawin Suebsaeng (@swin24) May 16, 2017

we already know what the line is and it's the edwin edwards boundary

i mean *trump* might resign just because he's having so very much not-fun. but pence and ryan and sessions have *plans*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgzssDOTMXs

Bill Bennett finally finding common ground with Christopher Hitchens.

Nobody, anywhere, not in the US, not in France, not in Austria, nowhere, should play 4d chess. Just go out there and fight the right-wingers as much as you can. If you fell Trump, good. Oh, fuck, now you got Pence? Then fight him.

Defeating Trump is good, just as defeating Le Pen was good, just as defeating Fillon was good...

If you defeated Le Pen only to have the VP of the National Front take office that wouldn't be a win.

With an added bonus that the VP is actually more competent and evil.

people won't get mad and grow sick of the system in the same way under Pence or Ryan, sorry, just not gonna happen

also the notion that either of those chucklefucks would nominate less awful people to the supreme court is bizarre to me

No one thinks that. The difference is Trump is going to get us all killed.

He is a fucking lunatic.

Simon pretty much otm. unless Trump starts a war. everything else is the same or very possibly worse under Pence or especially Ryan.

president pence preferable if congress flips

So him being in office does not put us in a better position to fight the Republican agenda. It puts our nation in a protracted state of emergency in which politics becomes impossible.

That's absurd. He might get us into a war... just like Pence or any other establishment Republican would. The big knock on Trump from the Never Trump crew is, if anything, he's not enough of a warmonger.

Can Trump in his senility single-handedly order a nuclear strike, without any other authorization? (I'm seriously asking.)

Yes. The only way it could be blocked is if someone on the inside violates the law to stop it.

a protracted state of emergency in which politics becomes impossible.

This is good imo, this is where it should have been during the drone campaigns and/or Iraq

politics becomes impossible

cool w me at least for the next 1.5 years, assuming we can flip congress. which even now isn't a sure thing. that senate map looks like hell.

president pence preferable if congress flips

― Mordy, Tuesday, May 16, 2017

yes srsly. I've been saying this forever. Why the fuck are y'all so afraid of him? He signs legislation the GOP wants and they lose it all.

Yeah, I'm with milo on this one. Trump is an unhinged lunatic. Pence is a garden-variety establishment troll. I disagree with him philosophically, and I abhor some of his positions. But to ascribe 'evil motives' to him compared with an actual lunatic is putting a cart before a toupéed horse.

Markets now trading at 43% that Trump reaches 2020 as POTUS and 27% gone by end of year. Lowest point of presidency https://t.co/wXhI7b3lv4

— David Rothschild (@DavMicRot) May 16, 2017

both are evil lunatics, one knows how not to step on his own dick every 15 minutes

The paradox of governance this century, which the Dems learned in 2010, is you pay a price for passing legislation. Hence why Congress passes few bills these days no matter who rules.

dudes, stop. Pence is evil and would be a horrible president who'd fuck people's lives, but he's an imbecile in over his head as much as Trump. He was an unpopular, mocked governor of Indiana.

christ i can't keep track of this shit anymore, i'm just going to listen to '70s motown records until things start to make sense again if that's okay with y'all. and even if it's not, man, _floy joy_ is so good!

Simon OTM. Trump undermines GOP effectiveness in a way that Pence wouldn't, especially as the media would hail him as the Savior of the Honor of the Republic.

the only benefit that I can see to getting rid of Trump (besides y'know nukes) is potentially alienating the part of the base that was attached specifically to him

only benefit? might want to think that through.

Several people in this thread need a drink.

Also: Trump isn't getting impeached anytime soon. It won't happen until the GOP loses some seats.