Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

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Russia is "an adversary"?

sexualing healing (crüt), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

1) eliminate the estate tax / upper income tax / enable the job creators

2) run the government like a business

3) surrender to the kremlin

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

per state policy, yes? xp

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

Great intel, the best intel, it's so great, it really is the best intel. Here, have a 45 cap. It's the best. I have the best caps etc etc

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link

Russia is "an adversary"?

where have you been

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link

doesn't need to be pointed out but lol @ this in context of Trump's entire campaign basically being "HILLARY CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH CLASSIFIED INFO!!"

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:16 (seven years ago) link

i do genuinely believe that trump is stupid enough to spill even the most classified info as a brag, but the fact that this leaked to the press does have a distinct whiff of 'deep state' about it

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link

whoever said Trump couldn't have colluded with Russia because if he did he would've bragged about it by now was apparently totally on the money

unless he totally forgot about it which is also possibly

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link

this could go in one of the 'free speech' threads, but why not put it here.

new chair of appropriations committee just gave "a brief and innocuous note at the bottom of a personal letter" that warned a donor, a bank board member, that a bank employee was involved in political activity against him:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/frelinghuysen-targets-activsts-letter-boss/

stay being complete bullying shitbags, NJ GOP

goole, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link

He openly colluded. He was a conduit of Russian disinformation. He praised the leaks and misrepresented their contents -- exactly like Russia.

Treeship, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link

1) eliminate the estate tax / upper income tax / enable the job creators

2) run the government like a business

3) surrender to the kremlin

― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, May 15, 2017 4:14 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

4) "let's be legends, man," or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFNWkUZf6fQ

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:25 (seven years ago) link

xp at that point he thought he was colluding with some 400 lb guy in his parents basement

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:25 (seven years ago) link

Unsurprisingly, NATO already trying to detach self (as much as possible) from Trump. US now a security threat to EU. https://t.co/1wngP5MEIU

— Jasmin Mujanović (@JasminMuj) May 15, 2017

mookieproof, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link

finally, some good

spud called maris (darraghmac), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link

idk guys part of me knows this is gonna be forgotten in two days like everything else but this seems...I dunno...like a really big deal?

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link

like seriously, imagine how much classified info would've leaked out had Trump actually read his briefings

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link

was thinking about all this over the weekend re: the comey sitch etc

are you ready for some GAME THEORY??? what is the actual point of hashtag-the-resistance? why on earth are all of the twitter centrist hillary dem types so bent on impeachment?

their goals are, objectively, 1. president mike pence and 2. liberals falling in love with the security services.

both of those things are bad! i think trump's bumbling incompetence and ego-driven chaos might be the best we can hope for out of our current political moment.

a unified pence-mcconnell-ryan troika working under a right-wing supreme court (thanks obama & senate dems) will bring us full-steam back to the coolidge era. i honestly think trump is a lesser villain than that (omg i'm objectively pro-trump!)

goole, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link

btw can't believe I'm saying this but I can't wait for Spicy tomorrow

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link

a right-wing supreme court (thanks obama & senate dems)

lol okay, really placing the blame where it belongs there eh

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:38 (seven years ago) link

someone is literally going to die because of this

frogbs, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link

what is the actual point of hashtag-the-resistance? why on earth are all of the twitter centrist hillary dem types so bent on impeachment?

and this is just a v wtf mischaracterization - I see impeachment chatter on twitter from the crankiest cranks of the left, berniebros, Sarah Silverman's celeberal crew etc.

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link

someone is literally going to die because of this

probably true! but probably not Americans and most likely Muslims so y'know who gives a shit amirite

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link

How in the world does something like that get leaked? Aren't there just a finite number of people in the room with him when he's having these meetings?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:42 (seven years ago) link

for what it's worth, i think that mike pence is as much of a shit show as donald trump and just because (unlike trump) he has a coherent agenda doesn't mean that he will be able to accomplish his aims any more effectively than trump. especially considering a) an impeachment trial if started later this year would likely last well throughout 2018, casting a shadow over the mid-terms, and b) a GOP that just impeached its own president would be reeling, not in any position to make the sweeping changes that the administration surely would like to make

meekseeks mill (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link

according to current and former U.S. officials

According to former U.S. officials? Why would someone tell them, since they clearly weren't there? I wonder if this means something bad or wrong already happened because of his leak. How else would it get out?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link

I see impeachment chatter on twitter from the crankiest cranks of the left, berniebros, Sarah Silverman's celeberal crew etc.

― Οὖτις, Monday, May 15, 2017 4:41 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

manifestly untrue, far left twitter doesn't seem to care that much about impeachment

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link

How in the world does something like that get leaked? Aren't there just a finite number of people in the room with him when he's having these meetings?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, May 15, 2017 4:42 PM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I imagine somebody in the room briefed the intelligence community, saying "hey guys, the russians know *x piece of information* now because trump couldn't keep his mouth shut," and that someone in the IC leaked the leak (as it were)

meekseeks mill (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link

it's leak-ception

meekseeks mill (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link

I think there's truth to what goole is saying.

But i also don't think a trump impeachment would consolidate consensus neoliberalism. I think it might fatally damage the Republicans -- if Trump is really impeached, even convicted of some kind of criminal misconduct, the idea that his horribleness is "fake news" would collapse -- creating some sort of unpredictable effect, maybe opening a space for the left as dems can no longer blame Republican opposition for their shittiness.

Sanders/Clinton was a productive battle of ideas in the end. It's the Republicans who keep us suspended in uselesness and lunacy

Treeship, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link

a) an impeachment trial if started later this year would likely last well throughout 2018, casting a shadow over the mid-terms, and b) a GOP that just impeached its own president would be reeling, not in any position to make the sweeping changes that the administration surely would like to make

― meekseeks mill (voodoo chili), Monday, May 15, 2017 4:43 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would tend to agree with this -- an actually successful impeachment or resignation would cast such a pall over the GOP that i doubt that they'd get much support in the midterms

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link

i know this is selfish, but i want mike pence to be president because i want to live

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link

manifestly untrue, far left twitter doesn't seem to care that much about impeachment

this thread has a real problem w the line-drawing on the left, the fact that these sorts of fractures get re-litigated on a near daily basis here is sad. when I say crankiest of cranks on the left I was referring to personal friends who were all Bernie-stans re-tweeting Louise Mensch or whatever (Sarah Silverman is not a friend of mine but I do follow her cuz sometimes she is funny)

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Fun!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/trump-highly-classified-information-russians

Two US officials who were briefed on Trump’s disclosures last week confirmed to BuzzFeed News the veracity of the Post report, with one official noting that “it’s far worse than what has already been reported.”

One of the officials said the Senate Intelligence Committee was also briefed on Trump’s disclosures.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link

Sanders/Clinton was a productive battle of ideas

lol wut

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link

i know this is selfish, but i want mike pence to be president because i want to live

Tsk, such minor details.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link

Nothing is going to fatally damage the Republican Party because there is no opposition party that is organized enough with large enough coffers to bankroll its candidates in elections to take its place. I will change my tune if Libertarian candidates receive measurably more support in the midterm election but until that happens, Republicans are going nowhere.

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link

One two three!

Dianne Feinstein exits Senate subway and is surrounded by reporters. "Oh my goodness. What's happened?" (She hasn't seen the WaPo story.)

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) May 15, 2017

I wonder how many GOP senators will say they're troubled before calling for more information.

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) May 15, 2017

Lindsey Graham tells us the WaPo report is "troubling" if true. I ask him if it's only troubling. "Yeah, because I don't know if it's true."

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) May 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:51 (seven years ago) link

cannot WAIT for some unhinged tweeting from trump tomorrow morning, though

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link

yeah he's just gonna bitch about the leaks THE LEAK WHY AM I SO LEAKY

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:55 (seven years ago) link

true

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link

who leaked this? can't have been many people in the room?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/trump-highly-classified-information-russians?utm_term=.wnJe6Vlv4#.xyOpJNLxY

'Two US officials who were briefed on Trump’s disclosures last week confirmed to BuzzFeed News the veracity of the Post report, with one official noting that “it’s far worse than what has already been reported.”'

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link

McCain just saw WP: "We certainly don't want any president to leak classified information but the president does have the right to do that."

— Erica Werner (@ericawerner) May 15, 2017

mavericky

mookieproof, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link

xxpost That alone may tell you something.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link

That is truly the strangest statement from McCain.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:58 (seven years ago) link

military man respectful of the org chart or just spineless

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (seven years ago) link

(the latter)

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (seven years ago) link

I think it might fatally damage the Republicans

did 2010 and 2014 teach you nothing? "Fatally" is an adverb you never want to use about the GOP's political opportunities unless it refers to how the party regards gays, blacks, and Muslims.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:00 (seven years ago) link

Remember that John McCain is not a smart man.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:00 (seven years ago) link


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