Lena or any character played by her as a parent = shift into the horror genre
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
no argument there
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 April 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
alas if only it were played that way
this may not be a popular opinion but I think the show peaked in s3
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
(with a fair number of very good eps throughout s4 and s5)
I liked the show, but the characters were awful people, which made it hard to watch at times. Broad City ended up being the show I wished Girls would have been.
― DJI, Monday, 17 April 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
i lol'd so damn hard at Marnie being like "Hannah, I'm still here. I'm your best friend. It's me. I won."
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 April 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
worst prize ever
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 April 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
Morbs, do you actually watch this show??
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 April 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
After watching the penultimate episode, I've finally come up with what I want the last one to be. I want it to go full-on Hubert Selby Jr and expose Hannah as a pregnant homeless junkie, with all the happy endings of this season like Mulholland Drive before Club Silencio. Just be a series of cut scenes showing where Hannah is shown to be an unreliable narrator.
Hannah's dad isn't in a happy relationship, he went full blown and died during the AIDS epidemic while he was still trying to keep it secret/was in denial. Hannah's mum hit the bottle hard as a result and drank away every penny. Because of this Hannah has never really been able to live the trust fund lifestyle from the series that lets her dilettante around. Elijah has been the one sustaining Hannah and paying for the apartment, and finally blames her for ruining things with his BF (who is still probably Dill but isn't famous) and his not being able to act because he felt responsible for keeping a roof over her head. Finally he lost patience (because a typical Hannah drama meant he didn't get the part in the musical) and kicked her out. Shosh never left Japan, where she was happy. Marnie and Desi were a successful act, but Hannah tried to split their relationship up after she tried to seduce Desi while she was stoned (maybe on the last roadtrip?).Jessa and Adam are happily married with a kid, and everything we know about Hannah and Jessa (and their respective roles) are the other way round. Ray died alone and pissed off in his apartment, not Hermie. Laird is the baby's father, after he had a lapse back onto druqs. Caroline was actually Hannah.There is no Professor of Internet, just handjobs for cash in alleyways.The final scene is Hannah giving birth, alone, behind the dumpster she lives at. Fade to black. Play something off Carrie & Lowell.
We can but hope. And be disappointed.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:21 AM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so you want the show to end like Roseanne did?
i thought the last few episodes were great
esp this:
And I like how the ending book-ended the show, it ends up being about a v specific "young adult" period, that starts with Hannah living on her own in the big city and ends with becoming a parent, I just liked that v clear delineation.
like we all make so much of that time in our lives then it just kind of.....fades away....and you realize then it was just the precursor to trying to be an adult human not any end in itself
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
I also like how she didn't actually grow or transform as a result of that period - she's still an immature, incompetent narcissist, except now she has a baby she didn't want or plan for. the ending has a definite "the more things change the more they stay the same" sort of fatalism to it.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 April 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Haha you're right. I forgot Roseanne ended that way!
Well, this was pretty good I guess. Hannah behaving like a mom to the teenager and then realising that's how she was being was the real end of the show, the final stuff with the cop and Grover was just Lena Dunham closure.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Monday, 17 April 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
I thought it was kinda lazy, the whole "Oh look, here's a convenient epiphany that I've stumbled across in the woods". And the young girl was a terrible actress. It's basically the same ending as the last five minutes of Mad Men.
I think yer all being a little harsh on the show, though - I've enjoyed all six seasons (to various degrees), and could've happily watched a Shosh-heavy 7th. Weird/interesting that Marnie and Elijah became the most interesting characters.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 17 April 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
thought the finale was solid, some bad-ish eps this last season but its to be expected by trying to "wrap up" &c; lena is a good actress & i will remain interested in w/e she does next
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
i would have been a little happier if the penultimate episode was the finale and they left it a little more open ended
but there was a lot of good stuff in the last episode
i thought the final scenes between adam and hannah and hannah and jessa were really affecting....the "we were all just doing our best"..."our best was awful" was great, and the silent end of adam & hannah's relationship touching
one thing in both those scenes, i think dunham is really great at crying like she's trying to hold back tears in a very real way that doesn't seem over the top, both those scenes were particularly great
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Monday, April 17, 2017 2:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah the end of Roseanne is one of the weirdest fucking show finales ever and no one ever talks about it! and it was a hugely popular show....
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
i guess it reflects Roseanne's pharmacology at the time
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Really awful 'Girls' piece by Elizabeth Wurtzel in the WaPo today. I'll spare everyone the link because you really shouldn't read it.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
"Elizabeth Wurtzel" is warning enough!
I honestly don't get the "unlikeable" critique as a standalone... as if all the major characters on The Sopranos (except i guess Melfi) weren't inescapably unlikeable.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
making sociopaths relatable was one of the Sopranos general strengths/m.o.s
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
HBO: making sociopaths relatable
― who even are those other cats (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
haha
you need to pivot to marketing, Eazy
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
i <3 wurtzel ty
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
but yeah, Shakey, but only to a point. Just when Tony was on the verge of seeming self-aware and cuddly you were reminded what a homicidal fuck he was.
I haven't seen the last 3 seasons of Girls so i don't know if they've been regularly doing that or not.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
sociopath has to be the most misused words on the internet
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I agree re: Sopranos Morbz.
re: GIRLS, it's not quite so extreme (nobody's a murderer, for ex.) but it was also not handled as deftly imo. The show, especially in latter seasons, seemed to go out of its way to display characters' loathsomeness w out making them v relatable (imo), so when it came time for the viewer to give a shit about whatever emotional conflict was being foregrounded, it just didn't work.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
was kind of an odd ending to a show. episodes that came before were a lot stronger i felt, though that seems to be a trend in tv now, penultimate episodes of seasons/series being better than finales.
they had hannah being a total nightmare and awful and freaking out about being a mother, then, seemingly inevitably she had that little epiphany out of nowhere, and went home, and was ready to deal with motherhood and could breastfeed all of a sudden.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
i liked the ending a lot. it invalidated everything we saw thus far. your 20s are fucking drama and full of idiots and then you grow up and move on and they are gone except the one friend you hate and all that drama was for nothing. p good stuff.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
haha yes that was my takeaway too
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
xp lol otm
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
unless you're a ridiculous gaybot like Elijah, who will probably go on like that til he's 60 or we all get nuked.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
Michael Sicinski @msicismSo take note: you're a narcissistic child until you have a baby. A trajectory even Dunham's right-wing haters could love.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
she's STILL a narcissistic child at the end!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
29 is much too young to stop being a narcissistic asshole anyway
i think i only fully became not an asshole around 34 - that might even be pushing it
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:54 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
she has her epiphany at the end and then goes home to stoically and competently take care of her baby.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
yah there wasn't much evolution or growing.. they were all still the same shitheads. hannah's mom basically said "it doesn't get better." the only conceit was you lose your friends eventually. she didn't have an epiphany in the except "i finally bonded with my baby and that's more important than all my shithead friends that didn't actually matter." (just all my take away idk)
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
i figured esp given her background she was suffering to some degree of postpartum depression, which is no joke
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:08 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sociopath doesn't mean "self centered" or "asshole" or "jerk a lot of the time"
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
I never said any of the GIRLS characters were sociopaths. If you want to argue about the Sopranos characters, that's a different story.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
it wasn't really played as post-partum depression though, the problem was characterized as her being...exactly the same as before.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
They mentioned post partum depression as being a factor in the "inside this episode" bit after the show
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
The teenager she ran into reminded me of Louis C.K.'s petulant/entitled voice.
xp I can't watch those, they make me question any enjoyment I got out of what I just watched
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:56 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
totally disagree the handwringing over the breastfeeding and the "my baby hates me" stuff seemed to be pretty squarely conveying that
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
seemed more like post-partum frustration? i don't have kids though, so what do i know.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
I definitely skipped that article about bottle-feeders who are upset.
I didn't particularly love the episode or the ending of the series for various reasons...
but I watched it next to my wife who was breastfeeding at that moment, so a lot of it hit home.
Like, on one hand all that handwringing and that 'my baby hates me" stuff is like. pretty par for the course even without going as far as being described as post-partum depression. I'm not sure where that line is drawn between your totally expected freakouts about being a new parent and what is "officially" ppd and I'm not sure how important that is, but for that reason I didn't need the creators to discuss ppd to understand that she's under a particular stress and perhaps acting in an extreme version of who she always has been due to it.
But the complaint online about bottle-feeding, I mean, everything in that episode is 100% accurate about that stuff and totally fair and I can't believe any parent would be pissed off. Every single study shows benefits to breast feeding...and every single parent probably comes to terms with the fact that it's hard work and may not be doable and even if it's not, your kid can still turn out ok so you just do whatever works.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
I agree the show was pretty accurate, but the dialogue ("hey, this formula stuff is ok after all!") was like PSA-level risible.
I get the online bottle-feeding complaints - unfortunately. I used to work for a breasfeeding org, and there is more chance of resolving israel/palestine than the breast vs. formula people.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link
how did "fast car" become so ubiquitous? there was also a period in the early 00s when indie/avant garde artists embraced it and covered it (Xiu Xiu and Jim O'Rourke).
― flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
I wanted to slap the shit out of Marnie during that part. Actually, during most parts.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vScKQ4gexwk
― dan selzer, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkl_Vq1SWKg
― dan selzer, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
Fast Car became ubiquitous when it was released and was a huge hit on MTV and radio and was a top ten hit on the Billboard charts
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link