"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:H71SChAKLphyJM:http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/files/2009/01/daniel-faraday_l.jpg Three cards, Charlotte. Is that progress?

has every season so far ended with someone planning on blowing something up

love that he wore the same tie he graduated in to the island

too bad he didn't wear the same hair he graduated in

Not sure if it's been mentioned but how monumentally stupid was it for Faraday to go alone into a camp full of armed Others and point a gun at one guy. Couldn't they have just sent Kate (who was just there) ahead to talk to Richard? Seemed like a cheap way to get Dan offed by the end of episode.

I kind of thought of that too, esp considering he didn't even really know how to use a gun.

Maybe his master plan, still to be revealed, is Suicide by Mom.

The guy from EW postulated that his whole trip to the island was one big attempt to create chaos in as many ways as possible.

i kind of feel like whoever these 'what lies in the shadow of the statue' people are, they are trying to correct something that resulted from the actions of our friends who aren't supposed to be in 1977?

also i'm sure somebody has maybe thought of this but what if jack kate richard eloise et al blowing up the h bomb actually IS the incident/release of ENERGY? jack gonna be all 'we blew it up why am i still on the island'.

you're prob right nickalicious. remember that the Swan is being built in hostile territory, it is more than likely that that's exactly where jughead is buried.

this whole "getting shot in the chest" cliffhanger strategy is getting a bit redundant, no?

crazy theorizing time. shit i haven't done this in a looong while. i was wondering why Desmond was in this episode at all since they usually never cut to timelines that don't involve the centric character, and this was a Faraday-centric episode.

and i kept thinking about the link between Faraday and Des - if Faraday hadn't told Des to find Eloise, Ben wouldn't have known where Penny was and Des would never have been shot. Faraday should never have met Desmond in the hatch and he knew this, because Des didn't recognize him when he landed in 2004, nor did they remember each other from 1996. Their meeting was never supposed to happen. this is prob why eloise said "For the first time in a long while, I don't know what's going to happen next." because Des was never meant to be shot. The island's not done with him (and i think they're already foreshadowing his return with the "i'll never leave you again" speech) and here he was, close to death, which made Eloise all panicky.

So either Faraday or Desmond has the power to change history and it has to be Des. Faraday couldn't change anything - he was always meant to be shot by his mother and tell Charlotte not to come back to the island. But everything Desmond's done has changed history in some way, whether it's keeping Charlie alive until he could say "Not Penny's Boat", meeting Faraday in 1996, or going back to find Eloise Hawking. I think Desmond's a Variable while everyone else are Constants. so if anyone can stop the incident from happening, it's gonna be him.

the ew guy also had a theory that season 5 works like a mirror to season 2 (there's a long explanation why which i won't get into), but i'm gonna say the big twist either at the end of next episode or during the finale is that Desmond turns up on the island, just like how he turned up at the end of season 2. returning back to where it all started for him... the Hatch.

could be completely wrong about all of it of course but it would seem weird not to include Des or Widmore in the finale somehow.

yeah i feel like there's got to be a reason they've strung des along this season, otherwise why string him along all season after such a clean break from the island. sort of assuming he recovers from his gunshot and goes to widmore all like 'GET ME BACK TO THAT ISLAND BROTHER' just so he can kill the fuck out of ben, which i'm sure widmore will be all for right?

srtung him along, string him along

ooooooh i bet widmore remembers him from the island 1977 and all his 'you'll never be a great man' stuff is total horsepucky, he knows desmond is supposed to save everyone

starting to think widmore is actually a total bro btw

ya me too. widmore was set up to be the big bad guy but maybe not. maybe it's those shadow of the statue people.

Considering Des had been shot square in the chest but still somehow managed to beat the shit out of Ben and throw him in the water, and then the next time we saw him he was being rushed to hospital looking pretty fucked, I kept expecting this episode to show how something Daniel did actually changed the future.

I'm wondering if we're ever going to know what the deal was with the changing photographs the first time we saw Miles.

I really hope they get the whole cast back in the same place for next series. Because they've all been flung out so far and wide, there are loads of characters that just haven't had enough play (a disgruntled Sayid and Desmond fan writes).

Like, are we going to go this entire season without finding out what's up with Claire? Seriously?

i dunno if it's going to happen this season but claire's gotta come back because of the whole aaron-kate nonsense.

oh yeah abt the first time we see miles... he did his ghost whispering thing without a corpse present - didn't he say he can only do it if there was a body?

I thought he was bullshitting/conning that woman, not sure how he knew where the money was though.

I agree that Widmore is a bro, he seems like a good guy to have a beer with.

Watching reruns of NCIS on cable the last few weeks, I've seen Widmore, Locke and Alex in various episodes. Is there any connection between these shows behind the scenes, or are there that few character actors working?

Alan Dale is in everyfuckingthing.

He's the Head of the Australian Consulate in "Flight of the Conchords"!!!

seasonal symmetry feels very otm, i've felt like s5 has mirrored s2 as well (same with S3/S4), the whole Swan/hatch thing feels like the most obvious element

Widmore getting those bodies dug up for the fake plane is not particularly broish. Bad form I say. Not toward.

Yes he should have killed some of his own henchmen. They would have taken one for the team.

Ben Linus would have done it.

So is baby Dan in the tent Eloise stepped out of with the gun? I hope there's not some spinoff Dharma Babies series where toddler Miles and toddler Daniel solve island crimes and have daydream adventures.

so basically this whole show revolves around daniel faraday

a character not introduced until season 4

deus ex machina often?

and by deus ex machina i mean he is a device sent to save the writers from writing themselves into a corner with the lead characters of seasons 1-3

I still don't really get what you mean.

i'm saying daniel faraday was probably not even an idea in the writer's minds coming into the end of season 3, and he was created as a way to link everything together

"In fiction writing, the phrase has been extended to refer to a sudden and unexpected resolution to a seemingly intractable problem in a plot-line, or what might be called an "Oh, by the way..." ending. Some critics think that a deus ex machina is generally undesirable in writing and often implies a lack of skill on the part of the author because it does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic and is often so unlikely that it challenges suspension of disbelief, allowing the author to conclude the story with an unlikely, though more palatable, ending."

you don't HAVE to agree with me, matt DC, but what i'm saying isn't really hard to understand

Oh I agree with you - I didn't really get what you meant from "painting themselves into a corner with the lead characters of seasons 1-3". But it makes sense now.

I think they first started doing this with the Locke and Desmond plotlines in S3 and 4 - characters effectively kicking off their own destiny through some big causality loop. I'm not sure there was even an intractable problem before they introduced time travel into the story.

don't get me wrong i like(d) the daniel faraday character a lot, even though he is quite absurd. but it is pretty weak to drop a new character into season 4 of a series and have the entire storyline rest on his fate. which leaves me very curious what's going to happen with locke.

I don't think Faraday's floundering around is going to do much. The whole "push the button" thing covers part of the science half, but they already have all the shit linked together with the Locke actions and the fact he was visited as a kid.

Biggest Deus Ex so far was Jack etc conveniently being magically transported back to 1977 when everyone else stayed on the plane. I'm not sure there's any way they can explain that away.

I don't have a problem with them giving a newish character a central role in the plot. It's like the Ben thing, they were probably planning to bring a scientists in all along in one way or another. Widmore's arguably as important as anyone right now, but the core of the show is patently going to end up revolving around Jack/Kate/Locke/Ben anyway.

Well, what happened to Jack on the original flight? He woke up in that exact spot both times, right?

I still love this show, but I have this horrible feeling it's all going to come down to http://graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/matrix-architect.jpg

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

so basically this whole show revolves around daniel faraday

I dunno, I get what you're saying but it only really revolved around him for a couple episodes. now he's delivered the notebook to Jack and it'll be focused on the main players again

I liked that we went back to the bit with Dan crying when he saw the plane crash on TV. So Dan and Penny are half-bro & sis. Wait, do we know who Penny's mum is?
This episode seemed all a bit loose and woolly - stuff we already knew mixed with nonsensical stuff like Dan going into the Others camp. Oh and the 'People are variables because they have free will' = ultimate lame copout. I hate all that shit.

I did have a horrible horrible vision (flashforward?) of them all somehow finally preventing the hatch explosion thing, either intentionally or accidentally due to it being a cause of a different chain of events than what Dan thought, and then them literally all getting off the plane in LA, stretching, and getting on with their lives... but with island sand magically appearing in their shoes... or a plume of smoke wafting around... L O S T

The getting off the plane thing is interesting, because it's not like their lives were whole before the plane crash. Everyone on the plane was trying to get away from something.

Also, did Faraday forget everything he said to Sawyer et al. about how you can't change anything, and how the only person who could was Desmond? He didn't bother to explain why that wasn't true anymore.

maybe they are twins!

He didn't bother to explain why that wasn't true anymore.

no but he did acknowledge he had changed his mind, he said I used to think I couldn't change anything, but now ...