xp is that from the rejected alien 3 pitch?
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
tbf civilization has developed independently multiple times on this planet alone, depending on which historical models you consider
presumably "civilization" developed independently multiple times tho bc something about advanced primates have the capability built in (in which case civilization might be an easy problem but developing the right animal to achieve civilization a difficult one). it's not even clear tho to me that making the leap from inorganic material to organic material is an easy problem bc if it could happen randomly w/ the right inputs then we should certainly be able to crack it in our labs (or do i misunderstand something here?). that we can't suggests that there's some variable or dynamic that isn't even on our radar. also we should assume that if the big step is from inorganic to organic material then there could be other planets that have inorganic to some other non-organic but still life-equivalent form.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link
(also if it wasn't obvious my explanation for why we can't replicate this transition is metaphysical in nature)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Two civilizations would be an extremely improbable number, but any other number you could name would be equally improbable.
yep, but there are lots more numbers that are much greater than 2 than there are exactly equal to 2.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
caek otm on his thread in his corner
― Disco Blecch and His Exo-Planettes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link
(And the Exo-Planettes sing)
Sometimes I wonder if there have probably been species from the fossil record who were as clever as humanity, but lacked the dexterity to make basic hand tools - so just chilled and tread water for entire geological epochs. Civilisation could actually be an extremely rare aberration in this universe imo. It seems too reliant on hard work, good luck, countless environmental + genetic factors. And if civilisation did repeatedly occur within the universe, maybe it uniformly has a 50000 or less years shelf life.
― calzino, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link
Mordy yeah i'm not arguing with the scarcity of creatures capable of creating civilizations i was just being a history pedant hohoho
as far as life/not life is concerned tho my understanding is that rather than a binary there are scientists who think in terms of a scale of increasingly complex molecular arrangements where there's clarity on "this is/is not life" at the ends of the scale but where it mayn't be possible ever to determine a precise point at which something can be defined as a living organism?
― Treesh-Hurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:37 (seven years ago) link
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF111-Reset.jpg
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
there are fairly bright line definitions of life that work with the life we've encountered so far, but assume a lot.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
I'm a little skeptical at our level of intelligence and civilization being the pinnacle of the whole process, which humans seem to think they are.
We're only the first self-conscious talking thinking monkeys here, would we even recognize types of intelligence that are different or further evolved than ours?
― StanM, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link
imo our intelligence is a highly evolved mechanism used by bacteria colonies to eventually find their way to other galaxies
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link
Life on earth is just a trick by DNA to get copied imo
― StanM, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
We aren't the pinnacle of anything. We just happened, the same as jellyfish or skinks. But civilization is a very specific kind of behavior and evolution can easily chug along for hundreds of millions of years without producing organisms that choose to behave this way. We were never necessary or even very likely. All we can safely say is that we are a strange species that produces such varied phenomena as mathematics and ice capades.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRzLAX0yZ8
― mark s, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:09 (seven years ago) link
http://68.media.tumblr.com/870af47dd0a72f7390e9d90c2f52ee98/tumblr_nltlg6mALF1qi66kho1_500.gifRoot beer!
― Disco Blecch and His Exo-Planettes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:21 (seven years ago) link
it depends at what point you call something a civilization (a strange term with a dubious history imo); did ppl develop tools separately? i would respect any and all aliens with tools
― ogmor, Thursday, 23 February 2017 09:59 (seven years ago) link
what's all this about https://phys.org/news/2017-02-distant-asteroids-clue-planet.html
― 龜, Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
so...do the aliens fuck?
― flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
one thing about aliens that is not widely understood is that they are fucking all the time, and i mean ALL the time, with their minds, telepathically
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
thanks Karl, that's what i thought just wanted to make sure
― flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
i every direction you look someone is fucking https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Olbers%27_paradox
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
caek during the election did u share on one of the politics thread a website that aggregated all the betting sites?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:03 (seven years ago) link
Predictwise? Or do you mean the one that just lists all the different bookmakers odds?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:11 (seven years ago) link
I think the latter and it included predictwise? Or was that just predictwise
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
http://gizmodo.com/wild-new-theory-suggests-radio-bursts-beyond-our-galaxy-1793130515
― 龜, Friday, 10 March 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/astrokiwi/status/839881414984282112
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 10 March 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
Hi caek
Wtf is a time crystal and how can one be 'created' is it a physical thing or a theoretical structure that can be modelled
Any and all other info appreciated
Ta
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
wait are you telling me you've made it all these years without making a time crystal? i am very surprised and impressed, it's not easy out there without one.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
You get 10 seconds in the dome for every one you collect iirc
― Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
There's a reason caek gets a corner and youse clowns get a ring
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
dmac - check 25 seconds into this for detailed instructions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BuSUH4vt_I
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
This useless banter is just another twenty wasted time crystals I'm never gonna get back
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
― Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:14 PM (thirty minutes ago)
strong lol @ this
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
'useless banter' = posts very much out of character
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
this is the most useful thing i've seen
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/researchers-present-time-crystals-made-of-quantum-mechanical-oscillations/
my intuition is (1) crystalline structure is an extremely weird concept mathematically and i got my second lowest finals great on the relevant course (2) treating time like a spatial dimension is guaranteed to make your intuition useless. i got my lowest finals grade on the relevant course.
that's all i got!
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
That's it, into the ring with the rest of em
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
super-potatoes for Mars!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bridaineparnell/2017/03/30/scientists-grow-super-potatoes-in-mars-like-conditions/#4303e3cc694f
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
Researchers from the International Potato Center (CIP) in PeruResearchers from the International Potato Center (CIP) in PeruResearchers from the International Potato Center (CIP) in Peru
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
did you see the martian morbs?
i did not. were there potatoes?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
i saw the NY1 tease "Potatoes on Mars" and thought they'd found a Bowie alt take.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
yes it was an extremely potato-centric movie
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
you might enjoy it given your irish heritage
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
i do my best to ignore it except for Irish Night at the ballpark
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
ah the auld midget cabbage bowling
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
this is good content, fellows
― a landlocked exclave (mh 😏), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link
now is the spudder of our goodcontent...
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
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― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
wow!
i'm really enjoying this entire page, actually
https://imagearchives.esac.esa.int/index.php?/category/410/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 April 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link