2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

HELL YES

Will America hear the music?

yeah if only he could somehow strongarm everyone into believing what he believes. its almost as if he has to work in a representative democracy with people who disagree, representing people who disagree

-- deej, Monday, March 17, 2008 12:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

morbius only participates in democracy as outlined in the bestselling self-help book 'the secret'

I only participate in democracy as outlined by a mob stoning inbred Southern gangbang nerds.

Love you guys "voting against beliefs" = cleareyed virtue. No wonder THESE ARE GREAT CANDIDATES!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/usa-todaygallup.html?csp=34

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I only participate in democracy as outlined by a mob stoning inbred Southern gangbang nerds.

ILEpitaphs

heh...The college I work at in PA just sent around a flustered e-mail about the security risk posed by the flood of Obama campaigners showing up on campus.

lock up your daughters!

How much does it benefit to McCain to get to fly to Iraq and look concerned/Presidential while the Democrats are still giving each other purple nurples?

considering he's there at the same time as Dick Cheney, who's calling the war a 'successful endeavor', and that their travel to the area provides a context in which journos can write up the newest suicide attack... debatable.

they also get to bring up mccain's "safe stroll through the marketplace" accompanied by gunship helicopters

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/17/obama_plans_speech_on_race_1.html

guess we'll see whether the Wright thing gets put to bed

According to WaPo, Obama's giving a speech tomorrow in PA. About race.

In the comments following the report I saw this, it's part of a larger post:

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of imminent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.

Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.

Who is s/he?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/a_last_minute_hurdle_erected_i.php

The proposed primary re-vote legislation in Michigan prevents those who've voted in the Republican primary from voting in the re-vote.

Fair enough, right?

But about 32% of the those who voted in the GOP primary, according to the exit polls, were Democrats or independents.

It's a fair bet that many of them were Obama supporters, as he was not on the original Michigan ballot.

This could be a dealbreaker for the Obama campaign in Michigan.

xpost Someone called Frank Schaeffer, who I cross referenced in HuffPo, where he contributes. In the WaPo blog post he continues:

My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad's Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler's Germany.

The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as "fallen away from God" at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed.

Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the "progressive" Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post "[The Clinton's] are, indeed, now part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy.' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html )

Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the "scandal" of Obama's preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama's minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days.

damn i read some schaffer back inna day, never saw the nazi ish. the strain ran through all his work though. didn't know his son had moved left?

He could have moved left. More importantly, someone pointing out the blindingly obvious about the religious right from his vantage point has to be taken seriously by those he criticizes.

somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

(ie partisanship trumps logic every time)

full transcript of Obama on News Hour here:

http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obamas-interview-on-newshour/

^^^ so sharp

dmx speaks out on the presidential race

Are you following the presidential race?
Not at all.

You’re not? You know there’s a Black guy running, Barack Obama and then there’s Hillary Clinton.
His name is Barack?!

Barack Obama, yeah.
Barack?!

Barack.
What the fuck is a Barack?! Barack Obama. Where he from, Africa?

Yeah, his dad is from Kenya.
Barack Obama?

Yeah.
What the fuck?! That ain’t no fuckin’ name, yo. That ain’t that nigga’s name. You can’t be serious. Barack Obama. Get the fuck outta here.

http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=20332

that fucking guy

You’re telling me you haven’t heard about him before.
I ain’t really paying much attention.

I mean, it’s pretty big if a Black…
Wow, Barack! The nigga’s name is Barack. Barack? Nigga named Barack Obama. What the fuck, man?! Is he serious? That ain’t his fuckin’ name. Ima tell this nigga when I see him, “Stop that bullshit. Stop that bullshit” “That ain’t your fuckin’ name.” Your momma ain’t name you no damn Barack.

So you’re not following the race. You can’t vote right?
Nope.

Is that why you’re not following it?
No, because it’s just—it doesn’t matter. They’re gonna do what they’re gonna do. It doesn’t really make a difference. These are the last years.

But it would be pretty big if we had a first Black president. That would be huge.
I mean, I guess…. What, they gon’ give a dog a bone? There you go. Ooh, we have a Black president now. They should’ve done that shit a long time ago, we wouldn’t be in the fuckin’ position we in now. With world war coming up right now. They done fucked this shit up then give it to the Black people, “Here you take it. Take my mess.”

Right, exactly.
It’s all a fuckin’ setup. It’s all a setup. All fuckin’ bullshit. All bullshit. I don’t give a fuck about none of that.

We could have a female president also, Hillary Clinton.
I mean, either way it doesn’t matter. I don’t care. No one person is directly affected by which president, you know, so what does it matter.

Yeah, but the country is.
I guess. The president is a puppet anyway. The president don’t make no damn decisions.

The president…they don’t have that much authority basically?
Nah, never.

But Bush pretty much…
You think Bush is making fuckin’ decisions?

He did, yeah, he fucked up the country.
He act like he making decisions. He could barely speak! He could barely fuckin’ speak!
Can’t be serious. He ain’t making no damn decisions.

Well Barack has a good chance of winning so that might be something.
Good for him, good for him.

posted and discussed above

i dont read above theyre just gonna do what theyre gonna do i aint really paying mch attention

CNN: NO FLORIDA DO OVER

lolz Florida incapable of holding an election

oh god so it begins

hahahahah bill sez "if dems used the same delegate allocation rules as the republicans, then hillary would be ahead"

"if hilary had won more votes, then hilary would be ahead"

Bill comes back out of the woodwork = Beginning of the end for Hil

If Dems used the same rules, Gore would be finishing up his second term.

if i were in charge dmx would be president

DMX/BDP fresh for '08

CNN: NO FLORIDA DO OVER

Where are you seeing this?

on CNN

No, I know, there's just nothing on the website right now.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Thanks.

give it up Hillary pt 9 million

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jcoombs/03-17-08_1523.jpg

uh waht

guy at the market told me i was the third person to snap a cell phone pic of that

uh why leave it up

some weird berkeley free speech thing?

Ask the guy for his fucking Sharpie in the name of free speech plz.

he forgot "bitches"

"Sen. Obama holds up his original opposition to the war on the campaign trail, but he didn't start working aggressively to end the war until he started running for president*. So when he had a chance to act on his speech, he chose silence instead," Clinton told an audience at George Washington University.

*vomits blood of murdered children*

t he didn't start working aggressively to end the war until he started running for president

she's one to talk eh