how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because of Donald Trump

I mean, assholish behavior is only designated that by contrast or compared with group norms, right? And different groups have different standard for assholish behavior beyond the pale.

I'm p surprised by the number of people for whom it's ambiguous, cos while I have very few Trump voters in my circle, the ones that were made a really obnoxiously big deal about it on a near-daily basis

think they believe that Hillary would be harder on Russia than Obama (which might be true and I'd hope that would be good) and they think that alone would start war with Russia.
Of course this might just be a cover for less savoury reasons to support Trump, but I don't know.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, February 6, 2017 11:23 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Based on who I was hearing it from, the "Hillary wants to go war w Russia" line very much seemed like a disingenuous excuse. In the fallout of an actual Trump admin in our lives, the closet thing to contrition you will get from some of those people is "I didn't think she would lose"

lol I realized that earlier I meant to "hi!" this post:

have about 20 acquaintances and extended family who are trump fans or at least sympathetic to his goals but they NEVER talk about it on social media or in life, at least around me and my immediate family. i'm sure they do some form of the trump voter support group that was linked on the rolling politics thread, but are very circumspect and secretive otherwise. it's kind of eerie.

― sciatica, Monday, February 6, 2017

I meant to "hi!" this post:

(aimless's friendly grin and wave back at Alfred suddenly freeze. he visibly slumps as he turns aside, dejected and alone)

I liked your post too!

Director Alex Cox said something like "Hillary will start world war 3 but Trump is an unknown quantity". I think Julian Assange said something really similar. It's not very convincing because Trump was clearly going to be awful.

some bigots justify their bigotry by saying things like "sure his views are bad but i can't bring myself to support the alternative". in 2013 loads of australians justified their support for a nasty bigot by claiming they "couldn't vote for labor", subjecting the country to a complete fucking disaster.

I guess it's zero for me, since the family members I'm pretty sure voted for Trump are generally people I am not in contact with anyway. Whenever I see them at the next big family gathering I will probably give them shit for it though. we are a pretty argumentative family, wouldn't be the first time.

Oddly enough Alex Cox written an earlier version of Mars Attacks which had Trump as a former president. It was supposed to be satirical but I taken his recent interview to mean that he preferred Trump to Hillary.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/deal-breaker-couple-quits-22-year-marriage-over-husbands-trump-support/amp/

Burning passions over Donald Trump’s presidency are taking a personal toll on both sides of the political divide. For Gayle McCormick, it is particularly wrenching: she has separated from her husband of 22 years.

The retired California prison guard, a self-described “Democrat leaning toward socialist,” was stunned when her husband casually mentioned during a lunch with friends last year that he planned to vote for Trump – a revelation she described as a “deal breaker.”

“It totally undid me that he could vote for Trump,” said McCormick, 73, who had not thought of leaving the conservative Republican before but felt “betrayed” by his support for Trump.

“I felt like I had been fooling myself,” she said. “It opened up areas between us I had not faced before. I realized how far I had gone in my life to accept things I would have never accepted when I was younger.”

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0 - I do have freinds/family that support Donald Trump, but I still talk to them.

I'm perfectly fine with other people having different political beliefs than my owm, thank you very much.

fine, but if they wear bright red trucker hats and say things like "she can take that fucking rag off her face" or "don't let that pink-barrelled pen anywhere near me lest people think i'm a flaming poove"

I'm perfectly fine with other people having different political beliefs than my owm, thank you very much.

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, February 10, 2017 12:29 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you, but don't pretend this is the morally superior option

okay while i'm here i've got to say this generally because recently it's been pissing me right the fuck off: being a savage bigot is not just a "political belief". objecting to fuckheads who are arseholes to people because of who they are is not just "disagreeing with an opinion". i am so fucking sick of this reductive bullshit.

i don't know anyone who voted for brexit, or any tories really. i think even someone voting conservative would be enough for me to cut them out of my life, but i also think tories are such a particular breed that they wouldn't end up in my life anyway, not least cos i'm irish and many of my friends in the uk are also irish.

obv i'm living surrounded by people with leftwing politics, but the only story i heard about a brexit voter in the wild was from my flatmate, who said he met some friend of a friend at a beer bar in hackney who had voted brexit, and was passionately and emotionally arguing his case. the bit i remember is my flatmate said he kept saying "i know, i know i'll get shouted down but this referendum has touched something deep inside for me" in a sort of sombre way.

which is fucking hilarious. i wish i'd been there.

okay while i'm here i've got to say this generally because recently it's been pissing me right the fuck off: being a savage bigot is not just a "political belief". objecting to fuckheads who are arseholes to people because of who they are is not just "disagreeing with an opinion". i am so fucking sick of this reductive bullshit.

― Autumn Almanac, Friday, February 10, 2017 7:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I once was considering dating a girl who was interested in me and then stopped because she went on an unsolicited rant one day about how lazy Black people were. everybody seems to think that's understandable (why would you want to hang out w/ someone like that?!) but if someone voted for Trump not due to creating jobs but because "people need to learn English" or "Muslims are killing us all", suddenly 'man you aren't being fair, you can't stop talking to em for that reason'.

when it's really more like "If I had known this person was like this to begin with, we probably never would have became friends".

family is diff obv but it's like....it isn't like some of us ITT are talking about SBing someone from our lives due to voting Republican.

lol my total is now 1 cos a Trumper just defriended me on FB ...forgot he was a huge TheBlaze reader.

which is fucking hilarious. i wish i'd been there.

OTM. This is also OTM:

tories are such a particular breed that they wouldn't end up in my life anyway

I can't remember if I mentioned it on the board before but my one (extended) family member who was expressing pro-Trump sentiment when I saw him last summer died a week later.

man u can't be killin people just for havin diff opinions

yeah I've wondered at the experiences of Britishes, who are firm about abjuring any acquaintance with a hint of Toryism. My experience is different: the swinish politics of relatives who tend to keep these matters to themselves unless provoked.

my Father always tries to troll me, is the problem.

too bold

that's my wife's experience with her father too. his latest FB post is a Liz Warren-as-Land-o-Lakes-Indian-Squaw meme.

xps to alfred: I don't get a chance to spurn tories, I v rarely meet them

I just checked the electoral history of the town I grew up in and, going back to 1832, the Tories have never won a parliamentary election there. So, yes, Tories, were pretty thin on the ground where I grew up, working class Tories being as good as non-existent as I didn't have much contact with the middle classes until I went to university.

... and, of course, being a workshy fop for most of my life since then, I haven't met too many Tories since.

idk I've found it a bit tough not to judge the people in my life who voted Trump, it seems to just go far beyond conservative vs. liberal or small government vs. big government or whatever this time. I mean there are people I know who voted for Trump who don't care about politics and don't watch news, but didn't like what Obamacare was doing to their premiums or don't feel like he's done anything for them in 8 years. Which is fair, I guess.

when Trump started running I was actually kind of on board myself, I hate money in politics and blind partisanship, and at the time a lot of people were like "dude, this guy is a lifelong liberal". granted the illusion got shattered pretty quickly when I actually heard him speak, because he was so obviously worse than any of them. And that's the thing that gets me. I know a hundred million people watched those debates, I have no idea how any of them could look at Donald Trump there and say, "yes, THAT is what this country needs" unless they're also one of those who say "BLM is the new KKK" or "9/11 was an inside job". He was a corrupt liar who was utterly unqualified for the job and was possibly compromised by a hostile foreign government, and what's worse is that he telegraphed all of this EVERY STEP OF THE WAY and his voters didn't care. So yeah, I'm finding it hard not to judge these people. I mean I know one guy who voted Trump and he was kind of honest about it - dude is a millionaire with a lot of investments so it's like, ok, I can respect that. But what's everyone else's excuse?

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― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Friday, 10 February 2017 14:40 (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Most of my family are Tory voters, I think.

my in-laws are tory- or ukip-voting, brexit-supporting folks for the most part (thankfully my wife somehow ended up as pinko as i am)

family dinners have been strained a bit but we try to keep it civil by not talking about politics and thankfully we're not often all together. interestingly tho they've been a lot less active with pro-brexit shit on facebook since farage started palling around with trump - i guess trump is still beyond the pale for some otherwise rabid brexiteers?

honestly flabbergasted that anybody here would even attempt to argue that maintaining personal relationships with trump supporters is just fine and dandy. y'know, i believe black lives matter. they don't. and the response to that is "why let some political difference get in the way of friendship"? i am legitimately horrified by that attitude.

No Lives Matter

I think you'd have to care about the person a lot and believe they can change.

Only one side reductive itt yep

I think you'd have to care about the person a lot and believe they can change.

― Robert Adam Gilmour

"they can change" or "i can change them"? you can't change them. accept them as they are or don't.

Maybe not but I think they could get a lot worse if left too much alone with other right wing people. My siblings and I can talk our parents away from certain positions sometimes. I think I benefit in some way from regularly observing people whose views I hate but I have to deal with them. You can read opposing views as much as you want but it's something more when you have to maintain a relationship with them.

Let's be clear that I don't mind if people want to dump all the Trump supporters they know. Life is short and you don't get the opportunity to dump friends and acquaintances very often.

honestly flabbergasted that anybody here would even attempt to argue that maintaining personal relationships with trump supporters is just fine and dandy.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

I literally don't know one single person who has told me they voted for Trump.

I honestly really don't fucking care if that puts me in a "bubble"

At my last job I did find out that a co-worker from another dept with whom I'd sometimes chat was a proud bnp supporter, which would prob be the closest equivalent here; it's not like we were mates or anything but yeah after I learned that I didn't want to talk to him, I don't need racists in my life

when it's really more like "If I had known this person was like this to begin with, we probably never would have became friends".

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 11 February 2017 01:07 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the crux of the issue imo. it's not as simple as "you like trump, get fucked this instant", it's more "all this time you deceived us by hiding views you knew were toxic". trump has given a lot of people the courage and confidence to go public as anti-race/anti-gay/anti-women fuckheads.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

― Guayaquil (eephus!)

none, i'm not actually infinitely recursive

i will occasionally throw my copy of "ummagumma" at them, but only if they really piss me off

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well thats weird

family + friends feel like fairly different situations to me, i guess. obviously i'm not going to stop speaking to my elderly grandparents no matter who they support, but i can't see any reason to want to get a beer w/ someone who vocally supports trump. like beyond everything else, wtf would we even have to talk about?