How Terrified Are You? January 2017

It's easy to feel insulated in London though

won't be saying that when Bannon nukes us to demonstrate America's iron will

"Happy Independence Day, motherfuckers"

I'm far more terrified for people who differ from my own demographic profile (cis, white, not an adherent of one of those scaaaaaaary non-Christian religions, able-bodied, relatively mentally healthy, college educated, urban, native-born American male living above the poverty line) than I am for myself. Probably a 3 for me but like an 8 for them which kinda nullifies the 3 for me.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/01/30/military-convoy-trump-flag-rolls-through/97255844/

everything is fine

nitpicky but maybe anxious would have been better wording just because terror is such an extreme emotion that to say "I'm about 4 or 5 terrified" sounds weird

only an idiot would be sanguine about nazis in the white house or about what they've been doing, I'm not thinking too much about possible nuclear apocalypse right now vs stuff like my family possibly being targeted which seems a lot closer to happening

voted 8

As long as I remain employed, 3 for myself. But feeling a 10 for the future of everything else.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/01/30/military-convoy-trump-flag-rolls-through/97255844🔗/

everything is fine

I'm disappointed they didn't put coal rollers on their shitty army surplus trucks

i go about my everyday political reading thinking it's a 9 or 10, then come across something about supreme commander bannon's rise to power and think huh i guess that wasn't so bad after all

I don't get the posters on here saying they're not personally worried, because they're not targets. If you're an intellectual, a liberal, a left-winger, an aesthete, educated, a city-dweller, free thinker, weirdo, bohemian, hipster, any of that, you're as much of a target as any POC, Muslim, LGBT person, you're just a little lower on the list. Doesn't matter if you're white, Christian-born, male, straight, etc.

So a whole lot of you aren't going to get a pass if the patterns of history about these movements are correct.

you are greatly misquoting what a lot of people in this thread said but w/e

i mean i'm terrified because i'm a bleeding heart but even as a chronically mentally ill weirdo i'm still not at the top of anybody's list. i'm less afraid for myself than i am for the people i love.

Say Trump and Bannon somehow consolidate power and had their wish of anything. You don't think the Pepe Deathsquads wouldn't go after leftist SJW hipsters from the city who think they're so smart? That's like, their #1 target, listening to these people, Muslims aren't even as high. These fascist authoritarians have some fascination with destroying the types of people you find on ILX, they just lack the guts/opportunity.

This is a dark timeline I'm imagining here, but reading history about these movements, the ILX demographic tends not to do very well in them, is all I'm saying. So we all do most certainly have a personal stake in this even if you're typically not in a traditionally targeted group.

curious what other message board communities existed prior to the 1990s

I don't understand the point you're trying to make, larry, but I'm getting used to that being the case. I'm not going to reread the entire thread but I don't think anyone was asserting that they didn't have a personal stake in current events.

If anything, I feel like I have more of a moral imperative to do what I can to counteract this shit precisely because I'm not among the most obvious targets.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/01/30/military-convoy-trump-flag-rolls-through/97255844🔗/
everything is fine

guessing these are the same jackass idiots who do this w/pickup trucks and confederate flags on rural highways in the south

If anything, I feel like I have more of a moral imperative to do what I can to counteract this shit precisely because I'm not among the most obvious targets.

If you're posting to ILX, chances are you are one of the obvious targets. Intelligent, educated, cultured, left-leaning people go to the camps, get gunned down, all the same as Jews, Muslims, LGBT, disabled, etc. They're like, #2 or #3 on the list because not only are they resented, they're also threats to the regime's reality. Ever listen to these guys? Trump supporters hate ILX-type people more than Muslim people or Jewish people. Don't think they wouldn't relish the opportunity to finally take down those SJW hipster smart-asses? They'd probably pull the trigger faster than they would for any other group.

Not trying to freak you out, I just think it's absurd to forget that fascist movements, especially based on bizarre race genetics bullshit, and creating these unverifiable alternate realities, it's almost a necessity to disappear the intelligent, educated, moral, ethical, etc, making these people pretty high up on the list.

Yikes, I didn't realize the pogroms had already started, but thanks for the heads up.

. If you're an intellectual, a liberal, a left-winger, an aesthete, educated, a city-dweller, free thinker, weirdo, bohemian, hipster, any of that, you're as much of a target as any POC, Muslim, LGBT person, you're just a little lower on the list. Doesn't matter if you're white, Christian-born, male, straight, etc.

sorry dude this is bullshit

white hipster dudes in brooklyn are going to be just fine. "a little lower on the list" below a syrian refugee family who is denied entry to the US or muslim attendees at a mosque who are targeted with a violent attack? please dude

For real. Like, even in the most extreme hypothetical case where that's true, a person with white skin is less of an obvious target than a person with dark skin.

anyway i work at a university and went to campus-wide information session hosted by the office for international affairs and the provost. the auditorium was packed w/ international students, most of them from the middle east. people were in tears. plenty of students from the 7 countries on the list. they cried while sharing their fears of being deported or cancelling visits with family they haven't seen in years. people are scared.

and this is like a relatively privileged group of muslim and arab students, people studying to be doctors, engineers, nurses. they are terrified too

sorry dude this is bullshit

yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, let's just forget what Hitler did, Pol Pot did, and a thousand other authoritarian fascists. It's pretty standard shit, man.

I'm thinking worst case scenarios here, because that's what I do. And what I'm saying here is only a plain description of historical patterns that are very easily verified.

white hipster dudes in brooklyn are going to be just fine. "a little lower on the list" below a syrian refugee family who is denied entry to the US or muslim attendees at a mosque who are targeted with a violent attack? please dude

Yeah, it starts with Syrian refugees and Mosque attacks. Think that's going to satisfy these people? Whatever. My ancestors escaped this shit in Europe because they saw it coming ahead of time. Maybe I'm getting some kind-of ancestral spidey sense here. Really, I'm just putting historical patterns together and imagining a worst case scenario, because there's no going back from that.

If I can guess your state of mind, if you collaborate you'll be fine. I'm sure you're smart enough to know how these movements play out. I'm not sure I have it in me to collaborate and run my mouth about helping, so I'm figuring out what to do from here. If the worst case scenario happens, which is possible, then more people than Muslims and Syrian refugees are screwed.

first they came for the hipsters, aesthetes, dreamers, free-thinkers, croissant-munchers and game theoreticians

marcos, do you work at CWRU? Do you know Cami Ross?

phil i don't know her personally but she was at the meeting yesterday, answering questions along w/ other people from administration. she seems very cool!

larry appleton gunning for the "ILX Poster of the Year" award

i think larry is speaking the truth but not exactly sure to what purpose

yeah, she's very cool. I only know her a little, but I know her husband relatively well, and he's a lifelong friend of another friend/co-worker of mine.

i think larry is speaking the truth but not exactly sure to what purpose

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I'll be straight-forward with it, I want people to feel like they have a real personal stake in this to create genuine solidarity. My goal is to inspire greater action from a greater number of people with a greater level of commitment, because I really don't want to see any of these worst case scenarios happen.

I'm thinking worst case scenarios here, because that's what I do.

Okay, gotcha. Well, in that case, we don't even need to worry about being rounded up and shot because Skynet is arming nuclear missiles to disperse Captain Trips among whatever small portion of the population hasn't already dissolved into grey goo.

Or we could, y'know, respond to shit that's actually happening or is likely to happen.

larry good job making a diverse coalition based on a broad vision of human rights all about the issue of whether or not you, personally, are going to wind up in a FEMA death camp.

I think there might be better ways to spur people to action than positing unlikely worst case scenarios

also, larry, you are more than welcome in the trumpology thread at any time. that thread is custom made for the keen insight and analysis of people like you.

I'll be straight-forward with it, I want people to feel like they have a real personal stake in this to create genuine solidarity. My goal is to inspire greater action from a greater number of people with a greater level of commitment, because I really don't want to see any of these worst case scenarios happen.

That is interesting, because the way it is coming across is "how can I take all of the horrible shittiness currently being directed towards minorities and recast it so that it primarily impacts white people, the subtext being that they are the people who really matter in this country so we need to make sure it's reiterated and highlighted that this affects them before anyone can get upset about it"

This is of course is not even touching on the assumption that post was built upon, namely that everyone posting on ILX or even this thread is a white person.

Yeah, whatever dudes. Every time you guys are like MNURRRR NOT GONNA HAPPEN, what I say is going to happen, happens. You guys have your heads shoved way too far up your asses.

fuck you

you are posting white supremacy from the left at the moment. fuck everything about you.

every single goddamned thing

wanna know why I'm terrified? because a significant number of my alleged "allies" are looking for ways out of this situation that, by definition, marginalize me and my family in ways similar to the way the current regime would like to marginalize me and my family.

you are posting white supremacy from the left at the moment. fuck everything about you.

I've probably incurred more permanent physical damage fighting white supremacists than you have. It's not a contest, but to make that claim against me is idiotic. Maybe I'm just not communicating my point here correctly.

What I have been trying to do for you, is to get a lot of these people who feel like they don't have personal stakes in this, to feel like they are in the same group as you, so they fight as hard for you as they would themselves. I'm trying to help, and all you're going on about is how it makes your being a victim less special. WTF is that?

ok leave dude

you stupid motherfucker

jesus christ

I forgot you dudes were a bunch of narcissistic sociopaths who masquerade as decent people. Seeya!

Just a quick technical question: how many times are we allowed to flag a post?

I've probably incurred more permanent physical damage fighting white supremacists than you have.

It's not a contest

I've probably incurred more permanent physical damage fighting white supremacists than you have.

It's not a contest

I've probably incurred more permanent physical damage fighting white supremacists than you have.

It's not a contest