2008 Primaries Thread

(xpost)Um because he is disingenuous maybe?

wow The National Review's The Corner has some LOL stuff today. I won't cut and paste but two entries got me, one said basically, "The biggest Repub. winner in Iowa last night is Rudy because he never planned to win Iowa anyway," and the second said, "Awww I don't want Hilary to lose the nomination because I will miss hating her."

wow The National Review's The Corner has some LOL stuff today

Oh that's for sure. Them, Hewitt, RedState -- lols a-plenty.

Then there's this guy:

http://vodkapundit.com/archives/009372.php

via gawker
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/01/Picture%2034.jpg

lolz @ fat guys in stripes

"Edwards is disingenuous" is the new "Spielberg is manipulative"

voted for the war = fuck him

anybody who thinks huckabee was the stupid option for Iowa goppers didn't watch the same debates I had to sit through. Who were they supposed to pick? Romney? FFS

getting mighty gabbnebby about edwards here morbz

ps why do we have this thread?

BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE

CUZ THE OTHER FUCKING THING IS 8000 POSTS LONG

CUZ WE MIGHT LOSE DARIA

DARIA '08

tombot OTM re Huckabee in the debates. He was easily the most affable and well-spoken - didn't come off like a robot or a giggly madman and made all his responses sound reasonable.

I'm just going to lock the other one.

fuck you people for not being able to get along and form any consensus on how to behave

democracy!!

LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK

FOUR MORE THREADS

rip hueg thread

Shakey Mo and I agree: That thread was an asshole.

okay, so reposting this here:

She could always needle him on policy issues, though, right? Not that they would be very productive. I certainly think Hillary's in a tight spot here -- I think her underhanded attacks at Obama's character, even though she made them through surrogates, backfired and made her look two-faced. She can't afford to repeat that in New Hampshire, but she needs to do something to stop his momentum.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, January 4, 2008 7:35 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Not that I want her to, mind.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, January 4, 2008 7:36 PM (4 minutes ago)

just paste that whole thread into this one

didn't come off like a robot or a giggly madman and made all his responses sound reasonable.

exactly, everybody else sounded like a lunatic, a joker (thompson) or mitt's insincere ron popeil shit

the press is waxing epic and rhapsodic on obama's win in iowa, i don't recall iowa results ever being cast in such a momentous tone

haha gff

press immediately playing an 'iowa picked the outsiders' meme, which doesn't really make sense under scrutiny

xp

Meanwhile, the wit and wisdom of Karl Rove:

On the Republican side, we talked about the core issue for Republican voters. It was not quite what I was expecting. To Karl Rove, the issue that will determine who gets the Republican nominee is "fidelity to core principles," or who is the most faithful conservative. He said it will make things a lot easier for the Democrats who have a "binary decision" to make — do they want Hillary or not. On the Republican side, our voters are going through a laundry list of issues to see who is the most consistently conservative guy on a host of issues.

trans: "oh shi-"

every 4 years, the "momentousness" of Iowa/NH increases bcz of the batshit blather of the cable news monster.

mitt's insincere ron popeil shit

Huckabee and Obama are the post-fear candidates.

the press is waxing epic and rhapsodic on obama's win in iowa
The turnout for Iowa Democrats was 239,000, which was a whole lot higher than expected and in past elections, and Edwards got the majority of "second choice" people.

Rove for http://www.logoblog.org/wp-images/campaign-logos/jim-gilmore-logo.jpg

lol @ apostrophe

Not really about the primaries but roffle:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2201/2160014390517954f318md7.jpg

no sex in the campaign room

Zogby Poll puts Clinton ahead of Obama in NH.

Poll taken before IA caucuses.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/zogby_hillary_and_mccain_slightly_ahead_in_nh_before_iowa_caucus_was_held.php

speculation on HRC's NH strategy: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1700129,00.html

Some blather towards the end (Kennedy roflz), but Sully's right in the main about Huck and Obama's oratory:

One aspect of this race that has not been given enough notice so far: Obama and Huckabee and Edwards are easily the best public speakers in this race. They won last night in part because of their ability to connect with people in large settings. You hear in Obama and Huckabee the cadences of the churches they come from - "the holy places where the races meet" - but you also hear men who have honed their rhetorical skills over the years, and actually connect their own thoughts into words. Contrast these skills with Romney and Clinton, who are competent but programmed like a salesman and a focus group respectively.

In the television and internet age, old-style rhetoric is sometimes regarded as an anachronism. It isn't. Huckabee's brilliance in the debates gave him this opportunity. Obama's public speeches have been the best in a candidate since Reagan and Kennedy. As someone who was trained in and loves debate, it's good to see this old skill gain new salience. Lincoln would be proud.

yeah I heard a bit of southern preacher in Obama's cadence last night - first time I've ever noticed it

press immediately playing an 'iowa picked the outsiders' meme, which doesn't really make sense under scrutiny

it makes plenty of sense - it lets them take a massive shit on hillary

Sullivan's been on an OTM roll yesterday and today.

Besides everything else, Huckabee and Ombama pass that you'd-want-to-have-a-beer-with-them/work-with-them/sleep-with-them test.

did you guys see huckabee on leno? dude is so likeable

did he play bass?

yes, with the band

they also showed a clip from when leno interviewed him like a decade ago and he made some joke about how even leno's chin could fit in the governor's mansion

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/d/drumming-emoticon-drum-kit.gif

I'd never sleep with Huck, thanks.

The more I see Obama speak the more I warm to Edwards. Obama says almost nothing but says it gracefully and sincerely, Edwards has much more substance but somehow I don't believe it when he says it.

*sigh* I agree; no matter what Edwards says he comes off as unctuous and douchey/ <trial lawyer,etc>

still going to support Obama...

(I feel unnervingly like my great-great aunt Mazelle who would likely vote for somebody if she liked his hair)

ILE, you sent a message today! A thread of change! On to AAD!

One aspect of this race that has not been given enough notice so far: Obama and Huckabee and Edwards are easily the best public speakers in this race.

Yes! In the rush to pinpoint "big causes" and "sweeping narratives" to the Iowa results, a lot of people have forgotten the most simple, straightforward explanation: The two most charismatic candidates won. That shouldn't be so surprising. HRC has organization and smarts, but Obama moves people. Lots of GOP candidates have something going for them (to GOP voters, at least), but Huckabee sounds like he's talking to you, personally, with an intimacy that makes his rivals look amaturish by comparison.

Now, the best speakers -- the most charismatic figures -- don't always win the primaries. But it doesn't take tortured reasoning to see why these two candidates connected with voters so well in a state that highly values retail politics. We'll see how that plays on 02.05, when organization and money are more important (with so many big primaries taking place on the same day, there's no real way to effectively engage in "retail politics"; by that time, of course, both Obama and Hucakabee will be either the frontrunner or the co-frontrunner, so they'll have a chance to be at least competitive).

The biggest Repub. winner in Iowa last night is Rudy because he never planned to win Iowa anyway

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard a political commentator say. Astounding.

Yes! In the rush to pinpoint "big causes" and "sweeping narratives" to the Iowa results, a lot of people have forgotten the most simple, straightforward explanation: The two most charismatic candidates won. That shouldn't be so surprising. HRC has organization and smarts, but Obama moves people.

I've been saying it for months!

i cant understand rudy's logic in not campaigning in iowa