American politics 2016: Lawyers, Guns, and D-Money

still bullshit, obviously

They still have not announced the "alternate location" as far as I can tell

next time you want to buy the media just remember to buy the fake media too

https://twitter.com/haircut_hippie/status/806727683195355136

TX's refusal of medicaid expansion doing a lot of work vis a vis the point of that story

Right, the fact that states are turning down free money in a bid to undermine their poorest citizens' right to health care is the real scandal

"Well, the Republicans..." is generally the response to anything of that sort - which is simultaneously true and irrelevant. Did anyone think the Republicans were going to work with Obama to make the ACA a success once passed? If they did, would they like to buy some beachfront property in Montana?

The masses aren't going to suddenly understand the complicated ways in which the American right undermines them - all they see is a party that's just as integrated with wealth and power and not doing anything they can see to help them, because the measures that would are automatically off the table.

Yes, but what about the Republicans?

@gatorgoat
You know what a good message is to non-voters? "Vote for me, and I'm going to give you a raise and make sure you can go to the doctor."

Not "if you make between $24,678 and $29,284 you will receive a subsidy of 9.3% of your adjusted income toward a tiered-access health plan"

"Consult subsection VI, graph 4 to determine your indexed income (adjusted for current interest rates) to see if you qualify for a 1% raise"

"If your locality participates in an exchange market and you qualify for the earned income tax credit you may get a 0.931% incentive"

"Just go fill out this 336-page form and we will contact you for your initial interview to determine eligibility in 4-6 weeks"

THIS SHIT IS WHAT DEMOCRATS CALL "HELPING" AND THEY'RE CONFUSED WHY THEY LOSE ALL THE FUCKING TIME

https://twitter.com/gatorgoat/status/809064589715456000

can we talk about what a piece of shit the israeli ambassador to the US is?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ron-dermer-praises-frank-gaffney

Gaffney, a former Reagan administration official, also has promoted the conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama is secretly a practicing Muslim, as well as the conspiracy theory that public figures including Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin and anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist have covert ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Ambassador Dermer is not aware of any anti-Muslim views held by the Center for Security Policy and certainly would not endorse any such view,” a spokesperson for the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C. told the Southern Poverty Law Center in November when asked about Dermer’s acceptance of the award.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/north-carolina-mystery-special-session

https://www.facebook.com/JeffJacksonNC/posts/596258303910095

it is insane

Summary of what they're trying to do in NC:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/12/15/north_carolina_legislative_coup_an_attack_on_democracy.html

"Legislative coup" is not an overstatement.

north carolina, kansas. this is our shitty future!

yeah, been following the NC situation. Are there any NC ilxors who post in politics threads?

Following the Putin model, I'm reminded of how one of his first moves was getting rid of any regional governors who opposed him and installing Kremlin-friendly bureaucrats. The majority of U.S. governors and legislatures are already Republican anyway, obv. Though there won't be any takeovers of Northeast or West Coast state governments, I'm sure they'll look for ways to curb and limit their powers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/opinion/how-do-you-get-to-be-a-governor-in-vladimir-putins-russia.html?_r=0

Following the Putin model, I'm reminded of how one of his first moves was getting rid of any regional governors who opposed him and installing Kremlin-friendly bureaucrats.

http://i.imgur.com/L6qfuWU.jpg

Following the Putin model, I'm reminded of how one of his first moves was getting rid of any regional governors who opposed him and installing Kremlin-friendly bureaucrats. The majority of U.S. governors and legislatures are already Republican anyway, obv. Though there won't be any takeovers of Northeast or West Coast state governments, I'm sure they'll look for ways to curb and limit their powers.

― birthday party, cheesecake, jelly beans, boom (tipsy mothra), Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:03 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, the two big setbacks I see for that approach are: (1) it goes completely against the way our government is set up by the constitution and (2) Republicans tend to be very attached to that aspect of our system, in fact their whole agenda is to make states MORE powerful and the federal government less powerful. If Trump wishes to do the opposite, it's going to be an interesting struggle.

That said, two ways that come to mind if they do want to do this would be (1) using the power of the purse, i.e. revoking or limiting federal funding based on allegiance to certain policy goals (as is already being floated wrt sanctuary cities (2) creating broader federal police powers and increasing the scope/size of those bodies under the guise of anti-terrorism or immigration or something.

#1 is difficult for them, because it's been almost entirely the conservatives on the Supreme Court who have shot down that approach, including in very recent decisions on the Affordable Care Act.

I'm not saying they won't try anyway, but there are some pretty key differences between the U.S. and immediate post-Soviet Russia.

I mean I'm not saying *it can't happen here*, but we are pretty far away from having a system that looks like this:

Governors in Russia are formally elected by the residents of each region, but the complex nominating process and the election commissions, which are controlled by the Kremlin, allow the president to make anyone he wants a governor,

I'll come right out and say that can't happen here

Or whatever's going to happen here will look a lot dumber.

since it involves our electorate, probably

I mean it can happen here if they, like, figure out how to dissolve and remake our system of government. But otherwise no.

so Red Dawn scenario basically

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bf/ItCantHappenHere.jpg/220px-ItCantHappenHere.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/It_Happened_Here.png/440px-It_Happened_Here.png

our republic will last 3000 years

Yeah, I didn't mean there could be any kind of direct federal takeover of noncompliant state governments. But with all the federal levers and so many state levers in the same hands, I'm sure there will be various kinds of pressure brought to bear on unfriendly states and cities.

Vonnegut predicted that when America has a dictator, we won't call him The Leader, but instead we'll call him Coach. Probably wrong on that detail.

Yeah, I didn't mean there could be any kind of direct federal takeover of noncompliant state governments. But with all the federal levers and so many state levers in the same hands, I'm sure there will be various kinds of pressure brought to bear on unfriendly states and cities.

― birthday party, cheesecake, jelly beans, boom (tipsy mothra), Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:51 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, again, I'm not sure there are so many different levers. The main one is probably federal funding that goes to states and municipalities, and conservative justices have been very circumspect about allowing this to be used in anything other than a narrow way. I could see the GOP coming up with some excuse and holding up funding anyway until it goes through the courts. But the worst case scenario there is that the states and municipalities lose the federal funding and have to make it up with state and municipal tax increases or program cuts.

TBF there's probably something more devious they could come up with. But I think a lot of republicans legit want a country where your blue state is allowed to have gay marriage and my red state is allowed to have racism and that's it. I don't really think it's the GOP agenda to have total control over the states, I think most of them legit want a country where the liberals can have their gay marriage states and the conservatives can have their racism states.

sry accidentally stated the last part twice

journalist friend from NC posted this a couple of minutes ago:

The ledge cut the mics in the chambers. Since they've kicked everyone out of the gallery, including the media, is this a violation of the Open Meetings law? Or maybe if there are still press members on the floor, the ledge has sidestepped the violation. We need a press lawyer, stat.

I don't really think it's the GOP agenda to have total control over the states, I think most of them legit want a country where the liberals can have their gay marriage states and the conservatives can have their racism states.

what is leading you to draw this conclusion

more from NC:

In other news, my colleague at NCPW Joe Killian was just led out of the House gallery in handcuffs.

I don't really think it's the GOP agenda to have total control over the states, I think most of them legit want a country where the liberals can have their gay marriage states and the conservatives can have their racism states.

The fact that GOP governors and legislatures all over this country are busily passing laws forbidding the cities in their states from raising the minimum wage, building bike lanes, banning plastic bags (!), etc. suggests this is not the case.

yup

yeah i don't think the paradigm here is "peaceful coexistence". it's pretty clearly total, unquestioned domination.

you just get the feeling these people wake up burning with rage that people around the country are living in a "liberal" way and are happy and successful.

what's going on here in NC is bonkers, but it's not the first bonkers throw-out-the-press do-everything-in-secret GOP action of the past four years. this is kind of SOP here right now.

you just get the feeling these people wake up burning with rage that people around the country are living in a "liberal" way and are happy and successful.

Kinda like these guys are the best example of ressentiment you're gunna get outside of a 19th-C Continental philosophy class.

you just get the feeling these people wake up burning with rage that people around the country are living in a "liberal" way and are happy and successful.

That's not a feeling. They don't wake up feeling that way, per se, but usually after a couple of coffees or maybe some hair of the dog, oh, they absolutely do.

reading and listening to white hot resentment on fox news and whatever online sources they read doesn't help ones sense of general well-being either.

If you're interested in the NC situation I strongly recommend following Rep. Graig (yes Graig, not a typo) Meyer on Facebook, who is one of the people spearheading efforts to strategize against the GOP in NC (and hopefully providing some ideas for other states).

I had never previously heard of Meyer. Senator Jeff Jackson, whom I linked to earlier, is (I think) the future of the NC Democratic Party and a generally good person to follow. Except he's from Charlotte which is always the kiss of death with regard to statewide politics here.

This isn't unprecedented. In fact a Democratic legislature attempted to pass nearly identical legislation against a Republican governor in the 90's. Figures it took a Republican majority to actually be successful at it.

I'd say that anything can happen here but it's predicated on a large enough disaster to completely undermine civil society - a nuclear/dirty bomb attack that kills tens or hundreds of thousands, a Great Depression 2.0 that leads to open rioting across the country.

For now the institutions remain healthy enough that Trump and the GOP can't have their way and in some ways there are still enough Republicans cognizant that anything they do now can be done to them down the road.

oh shit

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311506-reid-dnc-was-worthless-under-wasserman-schultz