2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

great discussion going on on CNN right now.

this kind of needed to happen.

this fits again:

It may take from now until November to repudiate every supporter or potential supporter who has said or done something regrettable but it will be time well spent.

hopefully Obama's pastor is voting for Hillary

or McCain

is there a joke somewhere in there

Any link to AC360?

Obama is conducting himself well right now but I'm worried about the blog comments all over the place from shills, freepers and others who don't realise how racist they're being, or are delighting in having a vent for their bigotry. This should make all of us ill. They think Obama is prevaricating somehow, they can't put a finger on why they can't trust him but they're glad to have the perfect excuse not to. I mean, it's all very well for us to say these critics share a communal brain cell and lack a spelling dictionary but they are all coming out of the woodwork at once. RAIIIIIID! What Obama is going through right now is proof that people whites will identify as black still have to work twice as hard for half as much, and are expected to be very grateful for that, if not to personally go around and thank whitey one by one for being so fucking magnanimous. Everyone else who isn't some shade of brown isn't expected to offer more than token thanks to the larger society for achieving things through individual hard work or the institutional assistance all Americans are entitled to.

im real worried about this, this shit has some traction
did the obama campaign really not know/think these speeches wouldn't air?

they did know, everyone who was following this early on knew that eventually this would become big, but I guess they didn't think it would cause THIS MUCH of a reaction. He already "denounced and rejected" some stuff Wright said and tried to distance himself from him way back in 07.

suzy otm, I'll try to find the AC360 vids for you.

this whole thing has me really depressed though. maybe I'm too emotionally invested in this thing lol

If this still has the same full head of steam on Monday as it did on Friday, then I'll be worried. Joe Public forgets about politics on the weekend, though.

Don't worry BW, I found a transcript. I don't think the people who had decided they're for Obama or are Dem ticket voters are going to be abandoning Obama because of this. I think there are enough of these to win in November. But there are hella bigots using this latest controversy as an excuse to express their racial anxiety like the blowhards they are -- and we all know people who are like this. Anyone who's ever been on the wrong end of bullying knows the form, where your oppressor baits you to force a situation where s/he can say you are 'too angry' and therefore haven't 'earned' their tolerance.

I'm pretty comfortable with Wright's speeches and his criticisms of America and I know damn well that Afrocentrism is not a black supremacy movement.

Also good on HuffPoPo yesterday, substance and LOLs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/orlando-lima/im-not-racist-some-of-m_b_91548.html

McCain, at a town hall meeting in this Philadelphia suburb, was asked if he had concerns that anti-American militants in Iraq might ratchet up their activities in Iraq to try to increase casualties in September or October and tip the November election against him.

"Yes, I worry about it," McCain said. "And I know they pay attention because of the intercepts we have of their communications ... The hardest thing in warfare is to counter someone or a group of individuals who are willing to take their own lives in order to take others."

wtf

No, Ethan, it's FUD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

The speech Obama just gave at this rally in Indiana a moment ago re-addressed the Jeremiah Wright issue waaaaaaay better than any of his cable news appearances last night did. I think he may have gotten on top of this after all.

I just saw the clip from "Hannity & Colmes" -- he was as unflappable as ever.

Johnny, the gist was?

He made mention of Robert Kennedy speaking to citizens of Indianapolis while standing on the roof of a car, sharing the news of MLK's assassination, telling people this was not the time to fragment and further divide among racial lines, but to come together and lift each other up. He also said that he will not stand for any assumption on anyone's part that the views expressed by his pastor are also his own.

That's what I wanted to see. Not just a rebuke of those things, but a turnaround of the conversation.

I can't find a pic of RFK at that announcement, but I did find this, the transcript & audio of the event.

McCain, at a town hall meeting in this Philadelphia suburb, was asked if he had concerns that anti-American militants in Iraq might ratchet up their activities in Iraq to try to increase casualties in September or October and tip the November election against him.

Hasn't been one of their lines for like 4-5 years now? Not that such considerations shouldn't be made, but this weird-ass myopic narcissism, that all shit in the world occurs just to affect America & its voting patterns in certain elections.

^^^This. But the correct term is not myopia, it's PARANOID NARCISSISM.

omg omg i'm sitting in a coffee house in s. minneapolis, never been here before, and mayor rybak (obama's mn campaign chair, i believe) is sitting next to me with a table full of ppl talking convention stuff -- can't really hear what's up but shit is seeeeriouuusssss

give her some advice from this thread

tacos/obama 08

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r.t. rybak is a dude lol feminized liberals

wait, Minn is going to be where the RNC takes place, right? See if you can snag a pass and worm your way in.

how's the dem senate primary going there, anyway?

"mayor i'd like to present you with what i'd like to call 'the morbius plan'"

xp ciresi bailed. franken 08! :/

We in Oregon also have a GOP senate seat that's being targeted. I've met one of the candidates.

Hahahaha, Franken. Apparently so obnoxious at my HS they - the district - paid for him to go to Blake by way of expulsion. I have not paid much attention to this one yet.

MN is going to be where the RNC takes place and if you look upthread you will see that one poster is already going for workses and may have AAA pass.

Gff, is K Ellison also there? He is co-chair of MN Obamarama.

no k. ellison; congress is in session so i hope he's keeping busy.

the mayor has left the building. exciting!

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is it time for Thread 3?

Hoos, I think they have to get to 10,000 posts and crash half of ILXors' browsers before anyone does anything that sensible.

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Only if you call it P2008: OUR MESSAGES, LET US SHOW YOU THEM.

...if you say that in a Scottish accent it means you've been to the shops and have come back with stuff.

can we call it

MY FRIENDS, THE THIRD 2008 PRIMARIES THREAD

Every time I hear "my friends..." I throw up in my mouth, a little.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-leon-roker/guess-whos-coming-to-din_b_91666.html

can we call it

MY FRIENDS, THE THIRD 2008 PRIMARIES THREAD

-- gr8080, Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:13 AM

^^^^ a hoos likes this idea

Tracy Morgan on SNL responding to Tina Fey's Hillary endorsement 3 weeks ago: "Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new president, bitch."

ha

The "McCAIN IS OLD" sketch was hilarious.

FINALLY! They found something for Darrell Hammond to do this season.

Ad for a Belgian university:

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Obama's Indiana speech yeseterday.

good shit.

Amid all the righteous noise made about Rev. Jeremiah Wright, it was David Gergen on Anderson Cooper's show who made the most pertinent observation. The veteran GOP operative with bipartisan ties informed the audience that black America is having a different conversation than white America, so one cannot apply the CNN, Fox, or MSNBC framework to African-American concerns.

Gergen's insight came and went with little comment, since the Wright media spasm is largely a white creation. Who cares what those with no political power think? That it took a power broker like Gergen to make this obvious, important point further reveals how fixed our "national dialogue" remains....

I've been pretty hard on the Obama campaign, and still am; but if anything would soften my view, it's this bullshit furor over Jeremiah Wright. If you are white and don't listen to black talk radio, now would be a good time to start. Wright's opinions are not deemed crazy there, and you'll hear much stronger denunciations of imperialism and racism than you ever will on a white liberal's show. Sure, some dementia is present: this is America, after all. But contrast the opinions exchanged between African-Americans to those expressed on the corporate kabuki programs, or worse, white reactionary broadcasts. Which do you think is closer to what's actually going on?

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/03/land-of-chains.html

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HAPPY ST PATTYS BITCHES

lol the ups guy was all heres yr obama tshirt