Horrific
― Rae Kwoniff (NickB), Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
worried abt sarahell
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
i have two friends missing, and am not optimistic at this point. they were wonderful, beautiful, talented and passionate young women who booked and promoted several shows for me and my band over the past few years. incredibly sad
― akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
oh shit I didn't know sarah was on the missing list too
― akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
she's OK
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Seeing other friends of friends on that main spreadsheet. Chilling.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
Glad to hear about sarahell being ok. Thoughts with everyone who is affected.
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
I wasn't even at that show. Several of my friends are still "missing" - I think things are going to get ugly once everyone is accounted for (one way or another), and the initial shock and grief is processed.
― sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
glad you're ok, and sorry to hear about your friends
― nomar, Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
fuck
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
I think things are going to get ugly once everyone is accounted for (one way or another), and the initial shock and grief is processed.
yeah, after reading the description of the warehouse space, someone's going to be in serious legal/criminal trouble.
i hope your friends are found safe, akm and sarahell <3
― just1n3, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:29 (seven years ago) link
thanks!
― sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:31 (seven years ago) link
I have friends of friends missing apparently. Small scene.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link
thank you. holding out hope but there is no news on these two girls, which is quite dreadful. a lot of very sad people in the east bay.
― akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:39 (seven years ago) link
At least half of the missing people are people I've met/chatted with at shows. Maybe more, my memory isn't what it once was.
― sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:40 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah several others look familiar to me; I just personally know Ara and Kiyomi. Ara just hosted a show with my friends and my wife a few weeks ago. she is such a sweet gir, my son loved her.
― akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
:-(
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I was at a show with Ara last Friday, and we were talking about sewing and fashion and body image stuff. I've known Jason for years, he had the best David Lynch in Twin Peaks costume at a party several years back, just perfect.
― sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link
Old (possibly inactive?) ilxor table is the table is okay. I talked on the phone with him earlier today.
― elan, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:06 (seven years ago) link
he moved out of Oakland about a year ago. He has friends among the missing though, as he probably told you.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
Oof
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/03/oakland-officials-recently-cited-owner-of-warehouse-that-was-scene-of-deadly-fire/
City building inspectors last month had launched an investigation into the site of Friday night’s deadly fire for illegal structures built inside the warehouse, but they were unable to get inside the building to inspect it.Officials had cited the building’s owner for blight on Nov. 13 after neighbors complained of “a ton of garbage piling up” in the adjoining lot. They next day, city records show, officials followed what was called a housing habitability complaint and began an investigation of an alleged “illegal interior building structure.”When inspectors returned on Nov. 17, they couldn’t get inside, Darin Ranelletti, Oakland’s interim director of planning and building, said at a news conference this afternon....City inspectors went to the property on Nov. 13 after a complaint of a large amount of garbage dumped outside. A neighbor complained about “a ton of garbage piling up” in vacant lot next to the building, calling it a “trash collection site” and a “trash recycling site.” The building had been “remodeled for residential,” the complaint states.It was during an inspection of that complaint that the illegal structure complaint began, records show.“We have reports that people were living in the structure,” Ranelletti said, “but again we are trying to confirm that.”Ng, according to property records, bought the warehouse in 1997. She could not be reached Saturday afternoon.Records show Ng owns 11 other Oakland properties, including an art gallery and retail building on International Boulevard, and at least two in San Francisco. A tenant at one of the Oakland properties would only describe her as a nice woman.
Officials had cited the building’s owner for blight on Nov. 13 after neighbors complained of “a ton of garbage piling up” in the adjoining lot. They next day, city records show, officials followed what was called a housing habitability complaint and began an investigation of an alleged “illegal interior building structure.”
When inspectors returned on Nov. 17, they couldn’t get inside, Darin Ranelletti, Oakland’s interim director of planning and building, said at a news conference this afternon....
City inspectors went to the property on Nov. 13 after a complaint of a large amount of garbage dumped outside. A neighbor complained about “a ton of garbage piling up” in vacant lot next to the building, calling it a “trash collection site” and a “trash recycling site.” The building had been “remodeled for residential,” the complaint states.
It was during an inspection of that complaint that the illegal structure complaint began, records show.
“We have reports that people were living in the structure,” Ranelletti said, “but again we are trying to confirm that.”
Ng, according to property records, bought the warehouse in 1997. She could not be reached Saturday afternoon.
Records show Ng owns 11 other Oakland properties, including an art gallery and retail building on International Boulevard, and at least two in San Francisco. A tenant at one of the Oakland properties would only describe her as a nice woman.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
Four of the missing are my friends: the 2 people akm mentions as well as one of the promoters and a musician. I feel 100% terrible. There is a first person survivor account on reddit that's truly terrifying.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
my friend was the headliner at this show, it's totally surreal to see his name in all these news stories. glad he's ok at least. so awful, he was due for a good break and instead, this.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:57 (seven years ago) link
Whoah Steve - good to see u but wish it was betyer circumstances :(
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link
re: the media response:
https://twitter.com/scottgordonwi/status/805183414508879872
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:01 (seven years ago) link
I've been at so many shows and parties at places like that. Most of the shows I've put on have been at places that were "safer," but still not up to code. It's "normal." Having something like that happen at a show I was responsible for was one of my greatest fears for over a decade.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link
heartbreaking
― the late great, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:05 (seven years ago) link
they haven't announced the deaths yet, so it's this surreal experience of all these people being "missing" and friends and family members posting on their facebook walls that they hope they are ok, and asking them to call.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link
sarahell: Yes, he said that he doesn't know yet how many friends he lost. He thinks he probably knows everyone that was there...
― elan, Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:16 (seven years ago) link
i really feel for u guys, nightmare scenario all round
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:17 (seven years ago) link
xp - yeah, ted was closer to a lot of those folks than i was.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
http://m.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2016/12/03/artists-at-last-nights-oakland-warehouse-fire-discuss-the-tragedy-those-missing-need-for-safe-underground-spaces
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:43 (seven years ago) link
I dont know if any of you will remember sean boyles aka seanwayne who was in Hellbeard and used to post in metal thread but hes ok. Its not one of the places he went to but i thought id post it here just incase anyone was wondering about him
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:06 (seven years ago) link
Kiyomi, one of the "missing" is the owner of the dog in my hipster puppies tribute to whiney that I shared a while back. Maybe it was on 77?
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:28 (seven years ago) link
shit, this is dreadful. thoughts with you all
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Sunday, 4 December 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link
Kiyomi was one of the most genuinely nice and sweet people I've ever met. I hope someone takes good care of Jejune (the dog)
Last night my wife and I went to see the Kronos Quartet (who performed Strange Fruit and Silent Cranes, a piece commemorating the Armenian Genocide); then we went into a bar and the news on the TV (question: why do all bars have fucking TVs in them now) was coverage of this fire for 30 straight minutes, it was easily the most depressing night out I've spent in years, unavoidable. The news is abominable. Go away.
― akm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
my condolences to you both anthony & sarahell
― Rae Kwoniff (NickB), Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link
The guy who ran Ghost Ship seems like a culty pretentious douchebag, the living embodiment of everything shitty about squats and DIY spaces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35RHugrfL94&feature=youtu.be
He's gone on social media lamenting the loss of his "self worth" but not the loss of life.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link
this is just the worst thing. today's chronicle & tribune just underscored how horrid it all is. Many work colleagues are tapped into this scene - to all of them and all of you I express my deepest sympathy.
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
I love these kind of spaces but the majority of them are firetraps. Worse, the people who live there treat fire codes as if they are just another form of harassment, and flaunt them as a form of defiance. It's been a problem for years.
The squats in the east village in the '80s and '90s -- glass house, bullet space -- and worse, full of people who were careless with candles, cigarettes, combustable art material, and often drunk and high.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link
Here's the d-bag who ran the space
https://www.facebook.com/derick.ion.9?fref=ts
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link
the guy does seem like a douche but I"m not sure directing ire at him is productive in any way
― akm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
This is horrific. Thoughts with you all.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link
You're right, but it's been a problem in these scenes for a long time. It would be nice to find a DIY space or commune or art collective that wasn't run by a egomaniac culty dickhead.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/derick-ion-micah-allison-facebook-post-ghost-ship-fire/
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:11 (seven years ago) link
It would be nice to find a DIY space or commune or art collective that wasn't run by a egomaniac culty dickhead.
I ran a DIY space in Oakland for 10 years.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
and you did a great job! and I guess, when it looked like it was going to be too expensive to make the code adjustments demanded by the city, you closed it down. also: your place(s) never seemed unsafeto me.
― akm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
the thing is, there are code violations that are "worse" than others in terms of being more dangerous. Everything I've read/seen pictures of about the space where the fire was, it was basically the fire hazard checklist the Fire Department issues with every box checked "yes, this hazard exists". The space I ran, had a couple "yesses" but mostly met code. But there is no "mostly" when it comes to the City and Group Assembly. This fire is what the whole permitting process and code checklists exist to prevent ... prevent the City being liable for.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
Say Oakland prioritized enforcement of fire safety issues -- especially the worst of them -- and separated them from other kinds of zoning/use policy enforcements. You know, so just like "sanctuary city" policies mean you can report crimes w/o fear of immigration issues, you could report fire issues and have it be dealt with pragmatically w/o fear of the whole ton of bureaucratic bricks coming down on people.
Would this have help in these kinds of situations?
― fajita seas, Sunday, 4 December 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
These aren't inexpensive repairs. Making a building like that "safe" for public assembly would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link