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Cool, I'll keep that in mind Ed. Thankyou.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You can't upgrade the graphics card on powerbooks. Anyway, graphics card means nothing for Photoshop performance. That is all done on CPU. (RAM is key though.) My 1 revision back 12" has no problem driving a second display, giving me a huge honking desktop.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

15" powerbook has the option of more graphics RAM, which is particularly important under tiger or it would be if they ever turned on quartz 2d extreme.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Ahhhh! I thought 2d Quartz Extreme (aka hardware accelerated stuff) was turned on all the latest pbooks? I don't think photoshop uses this for rendering images, etc (doing so internally to its own data structures) -- just used by the OS for GUI / window compositing.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

But it stores GUI graphics in the graphics card memory, even hidden stuff, with effectively a SWAP file on main memory, so more RAM should equal better performance.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I see your point; I would suppose that more system RAM would be the biggest performance gain. I think that 2D windowing performance would only start to be affected when you were mapping enough window surfaces to approach the limit of your video memory. I wonder when that occurs.....

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Video will also be handled in the same way but with frames cached in advance and I could see that filling VRAM up pretty quick.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmmm, I don't know about that.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Uncompressed NTSC SD video runs at 17.9 MB/s (143.1 Mbps) without any alpha channel information. Which is what it has to be when it gets to the card, I guess.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I think my next computer will probably be either a shuttle or a fujitsu lifebook.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The baby fujitsu is a fantasic machine.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, I have a fairly new 15" PB. It is my favorite thing ever.

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one, I just want to make sure it's configured to work how I want it to as I really only get one stab at this.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

fujitsu lifebooks own. i love mine.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The 1.67 15" PB looks great, but at $2100+ doesn't seem like a good deal for what you're getting (and you have to get the 1.67 to upgrade the VRAM/card). iBooks seem like an even crappier deal.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Get this, here in Australia it'll cost me $3299.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yikes

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Are they about to update to G5's?

An imminent G5 (or otherwise-named next-gen) PowerBook has been rumored since January 2004. Sooner or later, the rumors will be true. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

As far as the value goes, the OS is a nice perk that you can only get with an Apple laptop. As is nigh-invulnerability to malware of all kinds, for which I'd happily pay a one-time fee of, say, a few hundred bucks.

Beyond that, the 1.67gHz pbooks actually stack up pretty well against similarly configured "stylish" PC laptops (e.g., Sony VAIO with Bluetooth/wifi/80GB HD, DVD-RW). They're just less customizable and there are fewer "budget" options.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A Fujitsu 15" P4M 1.7, 60GB, DVD-RW, 512MB RAM is only $1499.99, about $600 less than a comparable PB. I love OS X, but I'm not sure it's worth $600.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

that should read " a comparable PB under the student program." Retail, it's more like $800.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

If that's the Fujitsu I think it is, isn't it more of a desktop-replacement form factor (approx. 8 lb vs 5.6 for the pbook)?

A thin'n'light would be more apples-to-apples, and the lowest I can get in comparably configured would be about $1700, saving a pound or so on a pbook but giving up a diagonal inch of screen.

Anyhoo, I freely acknowledge that you can get a PC box for less. Just not so much less, all things considered.

Of course, OS X for Intel is already rumored to have leaked into the wild, which could make this whole conversation moot (no matter how staunchly Apple insists that OS X will not be licensed for use outside of Apple machines...)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

There will never be a G5 Powerbook.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

am i right in assuming that a 12" 1.5 ghz w/ 1 gig RAM is going to be much faster than a 15" 1.67 ghz w/ 512 RAM?

i'm not going to be doing any real graphics work but i'll be doing lots of matlab/mathematica and lots of desktop publishing.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

In choosing between the two, I would NOT base your decision on speed. RAM is cheap.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, make sure you buy RAM aftermarket from Crucial or Other World Computing (macsales.com) or one of those. You'll save 50%+ vs. Apple's cost.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

in choosing between the two, I would NOT base your decision on speed. RAM is cheap.
-- rogermexico (tenthreaso...), July 13th, 2005 5:24 PM. (rogermexico)

so, um, what's better criteria?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Um... weight, cost, upgradeable VRAM, awesome portability vs. awesome display...

Comparing "1.5gHz w/1GB vs. 1.67 gHz w/512MB" makes not so much sense, as the 1.67 is just as easily upgradeable. If you get the machine from Apple and opt for the 1-stick upgrade to 1GB it's actually kinda reasonably priced. Otherwise, Crucial/Other World is definitely the way to go.

The point is, it's a cheap, easy upgrade that you can do any time. So it makes sense to go for the machine with greater expandability (15"). And for desktop publishing you'll appreciate the screen (and potentially the VRAM upgrade as well (ONLY available if you order from Apple).

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

QUICK BUY A COMPUTER NOW YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE FUN

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm typing this on a 400 mHz powerbook with 384 megs of RAM, running Tiger. Everything about it is fine, except that my screen is dying again, and this time i think it's terminal. I am going to the store today to buy a refurbed Powerbook. Any word on screens these days, do they still die the way they used to? I seriously could use this machine for another couple of years without upgrading any of my apps and be totally fine, but I need a screen. (yes, I've considered just buying a used CRT for $20 but I need my computer to be truly portable)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it just seems like such an inordinate waste, to turn this ridiculously sophisticated machine into a 9G external hard drive. i wish there were some way to salvage its functionality, do something good with it. i'm trying to think of something useful and drawing a blank.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

headless server?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

As is nigh-invulnerability to malware of all kinds, for which I'd happily pay a one-time fee of, say, a few hundred bucks.

Haha purple money!!! Thank god only you think like that or I'd be just another drum machine busker.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm trying to think of something useful and drawing a blank

OS X VNC could give you a little more time to figure out the answer, I would think.

http://www.redstonesoftware.com/vnc.html

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It sounds like it might make a good desktop for someone.

Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay I'm at Tekserve now, and I'm a little stunned by the amount of money I'm about to drop. My last one lasted 5 years, though. I imagine they've figured out their screens better now, so this one ought to last at least as long? GAAAAH.

Tom that's interesting, but I would still need a... screen.

Ed, ditto, but what the hell am I serving. Oh yeah, nothing.

There's a 1.33 GHz powerbook here for $200 less than the 1.5, except it has a Spanish keyboard!! I seriously think I might get it. Are there any other major diffs between them? I can't really tell and the staff here is a little overwhelmed.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Check the apple store site for refurbs, there's been quite a few recently.

No real diff between the 1.33 and the 1.5, other than the bleeding obvious.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

it looks as though for the same price I can get a refurbed 1.5 from the Apple Store. 1.3, 1.5 - eh. My screen is dead as a doornail now (it doesn't even light up any more)... I guess I could drop $20 on a CRT to last me 10 business days. But I am well and truly in full-on get-it-now mode.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Ed where is yr magic touch when my screen needs it??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't remember fixing it before?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

My intention was to give you a fairly simple way to operate the old laptop WITHOUT a screen for starters. But yeah 9GB external hard drive. Don't be so sentimental.

Tell the salesduder @ tekserve you'll take the Apple Store offer! Show it to him! Fuck you pay me etc.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Ed - Apple Laptops

Tom I don't get it though, I would need to like, go over to a friend's house in order to use my computer, right? Unless you are talking about the SHHHH OPTICAL IMPLANTS SHHHHH I NEVER SAID THAT.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it looks as though for the same price I can get a refurbed 1.5 from the Apple Store

Assuming the other specs are the same, this should be a no-brainer.

A. It's a more recent vintage.
B. It has a keyboard en ingles.
C. iirc, the Apple refurbs come with a full warranty and are AppleCare eligible. (Which would be the clincher!)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The Spanish keyboard was the clincher, actually.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

So congratulations are in order?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

¡¡¿¡

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

you used the past tense

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

¡I was talkin about the deçision, for whiçh something could be çlinched. Whiçh is past now, çertainly. what. do i have somethin on my çhin?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

bwahahaha

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I got the warranty and the apple care too, by the way, and it was still $200 less than the 1.5. i lost out on the back-lit keyboard and 170 mHz of speed but i gained a spanish keyboard!!! these macs have so little personality these days that i had to have SOMETHING... think different, mang! remember when the imac came out, it was all "oooh apple's cool, they make weird lookin things, tasty-lookin odd stuff!" and now it's like the opposite, like something from a cutaway shot in "il conformista", white rectangles, silver rectangles... my new powerbook is essentially exactly the same as my 5-year-old titanium powerbook, just a LOT faster, and slightly THICKER.. (?)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 14 July 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
aw crap:


Apple recalls laptop batteries
Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
Friday August 25 2006
The Guardian


Apple is recalling almost 2m laptop batteries as fears of computers catching
fire spread, following a recall by Dell last week.

The company said yesterday that it had received nine reports of overheating
laptops, and was issuing an immediate global recall of 1.8m batteries in
cooperation with the US consumer product safety commission (CPSC).

Last week Dell, the world's biggest computer maker, issued a recall of more than
4m batteries after laptops caught fire.

Apple said it knew of two cases of minor burns from overheated laptops, and
asked customers to check with its website to find out if they are affected. The
recall affects a large number of 12-inch iBook G4, 12-inch PowerBook G4, and
15-inch PowerBook G4 laptops sold since October 2003. The CPSC said most were
sold in the US, but 700,000 were sold elsewhere. It is not yet clear how many
went to Britain.

Both recalls are batteries made by Sony.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link


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