2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

when i started reading that interview for a second i thought it was someone doing custos

holy shit DMX

xp haha deej me too

So did I.

Obama respons on HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

"Your momma ain’t name you no damn Barack."!!!!

do you think custos is actually dmx

you should feel honored that i didnt react the same way to '-- max' that i would to '-- StanM'

dmx is bullshitting about dudes name (sorry we cant all be named EARL homie) but this is real talk:

"With world war coming up right now. They done fucked this shit up then give it to the Black people, “Here you take it. Take my mess.”"

I like Obama's response in that Huffington Post link; if he can spend the weekend saying that a bunch of times, this could be a net plus, since it emphasizes his Christianity (so it can knock the Muslim rumors out for a while at least).

Plus, he's basically saying that we shouldn't hold a retiring dude's words against him, which is kind of a dig against McCain.

xpost to and what: yeah, I think the Republican kingmakers would actually be kind of happy to lose this one; that's why they stuck it to McCain, instead of someone they really wanted in office (e.g. probably Jeb Bush).

He should've went more in depth about what Rev. Wright teaches, and the good things he's done to uplift the people of his congregation, but overall I think it's a good response.

+ points for mentioning his military service, lol

funny it just occurred to me i have no idea to what church Hillary belongs to or anything.

church of the poison mind

haha oh god no way

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

(article may be tendentious bs, still reading)

(but, you know, LOL)

"There is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

i like how he describes Jesus talk as a vector for getting INFECTED BY GOODNESS

xpost haha

lol @ DMX. i loved it

i heard the government infected people with real good

Actually, I've heard that exposure to low levels of Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer can help you develop an immunity.

Pat Buchanan: McCain 'will make Cheney look like Gandhi'

I think he just means that Cheney's bald.

"In an ideal world, I think, people would spend a lot less time parsing remarks by people other than the candidate and then demanding that that candidate disavow them; and more time trying to figure out what we can infer from a candidate's relationship to someone, if we imagine both parties as actual human beings, rather than as walking position papers who relate to each other only via agreement and disagreement on policy."

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter—God—and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers....The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

That Obama response on Huffington Post is good and quite persuasive when read in full. However, my worry is that this little storm in a teacup won't be decided by long, reasoned arguments and statements of fact - it will be decided by soundbites. Obama needs a strong soundbite to counteract the inevitable YouTube clips. I'm not sure if condemning the statements is going to do it. Sadly, this campaign season has been marked by lots of silly statements that got blown out of proportion and only died down when someone quit the campaign. Now obviously Wright was never in the campaign and he's now retired, so maybe that won't be necessary this time, but it seems like the pattern so far has been that condemning the statements hasn't been enough.

The concept of the Elect = WASP Entitlement 101 xpost

In a rare Senate appearance yesterday, McCain failed to attract support for a halt to pork-barrel spending, losing on a 71-29 vote. An angry McCain told voters today that he was only “doing the Lord’s work” but unfortunately was doing it “in the city of Satan”: mccain83.jpg

Later in Springfield, Penn., McCain told voters: “We were voting on major issues of profound consequences with no discussion, no debate and 10 minutes to vote.

“Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan,” said McCain, who has served four-terms in the Senate.

you should feel honored that i didnt react the same way to '-- max' that i would to '-- StanM'

-- deej, Friday, March 14, 2008 9:48 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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http://www.dia.uniroma3.it/~sperduto/images/peace.jpg

Sure, no problem - I just didn't know.

That Hillary Bible Study is almost as funny as what will happen when they ask her who came to pray with Bill post-Monica.

He act like he making decisions. He could barely speak! He could barely fuckin’ speak!

uh pot calling the kettle black here

btw DMX is a fucking moron and his music sucks

He got blood on his dick cuz he fucked a corpse.

Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan,” said McCain, who has served four-terms in the Senate.

lol the reporter sounds quietly incredulous that this man has been in DC so long.

God hates earmarks?

I mean, really? Is that in the Bible somewhere?

God loves earmarks. Ever heard of tithing?

btw DMX is a fucking moron and his music sucks

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, March 14, 2008 9:53 PM

lol stfu

eh I never liked him

next controversy, plz. this one is already played out.

DMX interview could not have come at a better time thank u maxxx <3

Obama releasing his response through the Huffington Post seems like a good strategy.

He's also going to appear on Olbermann, Hannity & Colmes, and AC360 I think.

hannity & colmes?!!

yeah this is what I hear.

I dunno if that's such a good idea

obama's christian god will surely protect him, much as he protected daniel in the den of lions, amen

I think he sent it out to a bunch of outlets, not just HuffPo. Some dude on CBN has posted it with "Obama has sent us a statement here" blah blah blah.

I dunno if that's such a good idea

it's about time he appeared on one of the wingnut shows! If he's in good form, he'll destroy Hannity as casually as Hitchens did last year.