Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

Pienaar's daughter Olivia also appears to work for Rachel Reeves.

Reeves would have to change tack to get on board with Smith's current policies, wasn't she an even more a blatant Red Tory than Kendall?

Pienaar the Elder is the reporter on the show though, not the producer.

Yeah I know, but don't try and pedantically tell me he has zero input on the direction of the program.

Yeah, the clue's in the 'editor' part of his job title.

Fair enough, I was just going by the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x0bvx

is there an actual PLP answer to the paradox of "we want to win a general election/we will refuse to recognise the outcome of any election we don't like"?

Luke Akerhurst is at it again

Writer showing a lack of confidence in that last para by saying Luke is playing a calculated long game. Massive idiot.

Last para is some fairly unveiled sarcasm tbfttl

Not sure I want to read his erotic fiction mind

Wasn't clear I was calling Luke a massive idiot for those tweets.

idk I think the fight for the Labour party's machine will carry on beyond Saturday. The left is part of the leadership but otherwise it does feel cornered and that probably won't shift given the type of ppl you are dealing with.

"... no we were advocating a challenge for months in full expectation of losing. Strategically this challenge has been helpful."

It wasn't fucking helpful for those shelling out to vote again. I'm glad this cunt is enjoying the PLP going back to Corbyn day zero in an even more weakened position after stealing money off hundreds of thousands of members. i shouldn't get mad really, he is insignificant.

can't help but feel that the correct response to Nicholas Lezard making a joke about assassinating Corbyn on facebook is for everyone to roll their eyes, go "Christ, Nicholas Lezard is a prick", then move on with their lives, and that Corbyn fans on twitter demanding that he be sacked from the Guardian and investigated by the police and so forth are not really helping themselves in the long run

I totally agree, it seems just as ott as some of that self-victimising bs from the PLP. A classier response would be to ignore the idiot.

can't see this leading to anything but even more pissiness and chest-beating the next time someone from Corbyn's "side" says something vaguely off-colour on social media, as much as anything else

The exasperating thing about all this is this crying eagle bullshit that pretends Corbyn is on the verge of some Castro-esque dominance and not just some dude who isn't very good at his job and will be gone in three or four years max.

If he leads Labour off a cliff then he's also leading his own movement off the same cliff. If he does better than expected then it benefits the Blairites who won't lose their own seats. This whole thing has been preposterously unnecessary and counterproductive.

now that there's only a few hours to go I suddenly feel this sense of dread that the predictions are all wrong and that Smith is actually going to win

Corbyn win announced at 61%.

*party whistles*

it shows how shit the PLP are at cheating, I thought it might be at the most a 50 odd % victory this time.

excellent, now the whole party can get behind Corbyn and concentrate on offering a genuinely transformative politics to a British electorate tired of bigotry and meanness

part of me thinks it'd be a pretty swish move to resign now

if the resignation involved a suicide vest and senior members of Progress

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/779638409027608576

Presented without comment.

Chuka Umunna "disappointed immigration wasn’t more of an issue in this Labour leadership race", Umunna setting a high bar there in the "most dispiriting reaction to Corbyn's victory" stakes

xp

i too yearn for a more racist Labour party

hang on, immigration isn't a racist issue is it? a bit like hating islams.

feel like best case scenario is reluctant unity and a whimpering defeat at the next GE albeit performing not technically worse than in 2015 (based on the boundary review, Brexit bog, recession, war, print media dead in the water by then etc.)

The long-term Continuity Blairite project: note Mandelson's contribution, entirely acknowledging they didn't have the firepower or the manpower at this stage (tacit admission the heavyweights of this faction entirely sat this campaign out)

(caveat: minor richard seymour klaxon, major jacobin klaxon)

"manpower" excuse corbynite misogyny there: EAGLE PERSONPOWER

Owen Smith is still favourite to be next Labour leader with Paddy Power for some reason.

I assume we will do this all again in a year's time.

i don't think i'll ever get tired of laughing at Owen Smith so fair enough

From what I'm hearing on the BBC coverage it sounds like the purge people have been hoping for won't happen. Or at least all talk seems to run in the opposite direction. So the likelihood of somebody trying something next year doesn't seem to be being countered.

But the BBC is saying that he has increased his mandate and the likelihood of a further leadership challenge is unlikely.
Would just think that that idea of future leadership challenge was already there and only going to go away if dealt with in the wake of this victory.

They've been talking up the idea of another leadership challenge for as long as it has been obvious Smith was going to lose.

The objective will be to try to recruit 100k more to the Saving Labour camp and have another go when they think they have the electorate they need.

luckily i don't think there are 100,000 billionaire shitty children's authors who want to destroy the labour party because they hate proles

they're called muggles m8

Hogwarts is a grammar school

*party whistles*

― imago, Saturday, 24 September 2016 10:56 (one hour ago) Permalink

Dogwhistles... erm, Labour Party, that is... oh fuck it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/12/87/0f/12870faf8649a750c9192cfceb5de3c2.jpg

Corbyn, Jeremy Corbyn
He's the greatest guy in history
From the town of Shrewsbury
He's increased his major-ity

think i might develop a Maoist infatuation with Jezza now just for the lulz

Lamest opponent silver lined starclutch of the hour:

Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 52m52 minutes ago
Statistic of the day is that Owen Smith got more votes than Ed Miliband did six years ago.
Smith, 2016: 193k
Miliband, 2010: 175k

That's certainly statistic of the day for anyone deeply concerned with bragging rights between Owen Smith and Ed Miliband.

But hey, the real statistic of the day in the hundreds of thousands of people dependent upon food banks for basic subsistence, right?

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/71358000/jpg/_71358805_citizensmith.jpg

There will come a time for unity, a time to bury hatchets, a time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together.

Not today though, today is for gloating, and clowning fuck out of these smarmy progress clowns on the internet

this is interesting/unexpected: according to an exit poll, Smith beat Corbyn 55 to 45 with 18-23 year olds

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/owen-smith-exit-poll-jeremy-corbyn-yougov-electiondata_uk_57e652e2e4b0e81629a9d393

(I guess a lot of folk in that age range who supported Corbyn may have been those caught out by the cut-off date for voting rights, may have been less likely to be able to afford to pay £25 for reg supporter vote, may be more likely to have been purged due to something they wrote on social media?)

smarmy progress gimps, rather, blue pencil that re-use of clown

Labour youth orgs all seem dominated by Blair/Progress types, which may have had an influence.

kids interested in politics swings more middle class than the electorate as a whole

Yeah and also, don't want to sound too cynical about young peoples involvement in labour, but perhaps has a highish proportion who have an eye on politics as career, certainly compared to older age cohorts

Probably a higher margin of error in exit polling too as they make up a small proportion of total.