Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

Corbz and the PLP tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSMfdKMZfiE

Interminably until we purge those fuckers

I've always preferred those 5 furlong type affairs in horseracing, not those boring 3 mile NH jump races where your 20/1 shot leads all the way and unseats the rider at the last fence. This is starting to feel like a fucking 1000 mile steeplechase ran at a slower than plodding pace and the fav is gaining a millimetres lead at a time. Stalin had some bad work practices but you can't knock his record of rapidly getting party moderates out of the way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Crswl7dWAAAq8l1.jpg

one of the Black Lace members got a short custodial sentence for benefits fraud recently

I bet he wasn't having a ball

his agadooings were reduced

I've looked at their twitter feed and it seems that the above screenshot is a fake? oh well.

to the Left, to the Right

JUst had Alan Johnson on Newsnight going on about how out of touch Corbyn must be if he's into UB40 so wondered what the stroy there was, missed the beginning of the clip. Johnson also said that Corbyn and the Corbynites are the kind of Dylan fan who denounced him for going electric while Johnson dug the electric stuff.

Which sounds like a really adult view point. Not actually heard what Corbyn's into. Wasn't that wage thing from last week him at the opera saying art is for everyone

very hackneyed Q magazine type disses from postman pat there.

http://www.bigissue.com/reviews/music-reviews/2889/alan-johnson-mp-my-top-five-mod-tracks

That'll be the same AJ that fanboyed like crazy when faced with the presence of David Gilmour at a party/book reading a friend of mine gave.

Don't fully understand what these aides are saying but seems to amount to Corbyn anti-free trade b/c globalisation sucks and single market bad for countries outside Europe as well, so bugger it twice over.

Can't see how someone w/these views in the Remain camp cld have affected the outcome of the vote at all. Good international proletariat solidarity though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/10/senior-labour-mps-draw-up-truce-plans-to-return-to-corbyn-cabine/

puzzling to think that you can have a list of demands attached to your letter of surrender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDzsoFEivA

In a frank interview Mr Smith joked that his ability to find a girlfriend - now his wife - in a school dominated by boys suggested he had leadership qualities.

what the fuck is wrong with this guy

jfc

Interesting to see Chuka Umunna and the GMB, both Smith backers, rejecting the call for a second referendum.

I always assumed that Smith's second referendum pledge was just an attempt to find a wedge issue to use against Corbyn, not something that anyone (including Smith himself) thought would actually happen?

nobody in PLP is backing any of Smith's policies other than stopping Corbyn. He could be saying he would make it mandatory for everybody to take a shit on a pic of the queen every wednesday and still there would complete silence.

I think that's probably right but for them to be publicly undermining him on his only significant campaign pledge shortly before the election isn't something i expected.

Maybe Chuka is regretting shitting out at the first hurdle, especially after seeing how much slack the press have been cutting Smith's diabolical performances. I could imagine a large swathe of Blairites secretly wincing like fuck at Smith so far. But still parotting the "electoral credibility" line about him.

I mean seeing Smith as a Labour leadership contender gives me hope I might be living in a castle in Monte Carlo one day.

Chuka shit it at the slightest bit of press scrutiny previously, but now Corbyn is here he realises opposing him is a piece of piss. As evidenced by Smith continually shitting the bed and getting away with it.

well this is my crude homegrown theory

This thread got p scatalogical.

Stay out of the us election one for a while maybe....

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lol you are right, i'm blaming it on the afternoon sesh rather than my own shittiness

Even in the unlikely event that he were to somehow win I'm not sure Smith is even remotely prepared for everything that would rain down on him at once Corbyn is safely out of the way. The Murdoch press isn't giving him a free ride because they agree with his policies either. This is assuming Smith agrees with his own policies, which is a huge assumption.

Chuka's own constituency voted overwhelmingly for Remain fwiw. I'm sure that will be rewarded in four years time.

Ha, I was drinking in the club near my flat, and someone mentioned the local party were next door (I had received the email, but had overlooked it amongst all the labour spam). So I went in, and it was a vote on an amendment to the decision to endorse smith. Basically saying that whoever wins we need to unite behind the winner. Shrug. Interesting the votes and abstentions were from smith supporters.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tim-farron-i-want-to-park-lib-dem-tanks-on-the-tories-lawn-a3344426.html

think Mr Farron might have to promise to move his party further right before any of the PLP will offer to join him

those lib-dem tanks in full

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http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032013/20/pics/pics-0030.jpg

lol

Those tanks would definitely get more votes

"They are not interested in getting into power because victory is a bourgeois concept,” Mr Johnson said.

Tell that to Stalin.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/labour-crisis-alan-johnson-demands-relentless-rebellion-against/

Stalin had the right idea for the likes of Johnson

"It makes me really depressed and sometimes angry when I see some smart-arse 26-year-old saying, 'We've always felt the Labour Party is a place of nasty Blairites but now Jeremy is there we've decided to give them the honour of our membership'."

Mr Johnson added: "It's worse than self-indulgent, it's ... tyrannical.

this seems so obviously counterproductive; Neil Kinnock (for example) always seems careful to say that he thinks the influx of new, young members is a positive thing, even when he's criticising Corbyn and the current direction of the party.

AJ is probably still butthurt about the referendum result, and eager to perpetuate the myth that Everything Is Jeremy Corbyn's fault, even though he himself was in charge of the Labour campaign and couldn't deliver an In vote from his own constituents. Curious to know how many Out voters were motivated by the desire to screw David Cameron, along with the "concerns about immigration" people and the "£350m a week for the NHS" crew.

Johnson is also a serial bottler of leadership challenges.

I have no idea why he's considered a safe pair of hands or a 'big beast' considering the bottling, etc.

While we're here: Paul Mason - going bonkers or speaking truth to power structures?

As I was saying to my housemate just a couple of hours ago: my father is also wondering about Paul Mason's mental health.

That is all.

I get the impression that Mason has always had some odd views, but that this was less obvious when he was a TV news economics correspondent, rather than whatever he is now? he doesn't seem noticeably more bonkers than any other member of Workers' Power that I've met, certainly.

(not that I've ever met Paul Mason, but you understand)

I am increasingly finding myself agreeing with everything Mason says these days, probably not much of an endorsement:p

https://twitter.com/jamesgoldstone/status/762960132095565824

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/17/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-members-choose-shadow-team

In what will be presented as a conciliatory move to unify the party, one proposal is that a third of shadow cabinet posts are elected by the parliamentary party, another third by the leader and a final third by members.

um, good luck with that

Yeah I don't get that at all. What information will the membership have from the candidates on which to base their selections? Voting track record, tax returns, health records?

Could be about as meaningless as the old posters I use to see round uni in the 80s for elections to the NUS committee. People I'd never heard of, statements I didn't believe.

As it happens, 2011 was also when I interviewed him last, and we meet in the same Soho cafe. Mason still drinks multiple cups of cappuccino but everything else has changed. The pinstriped suit has gone, along with the need to try and at least appear impartial. He’s now in jeans, stubble and giving off a palpable sense of purpose. He’s not quite the movement’s Jagger but he’s one of the headliners, a star act, punching through on Twitter, appearing at the rallies, top of the bill at The World Transformed – though he’s no Corbynista. “On the night we won the NEC decision that allowed him on to the ballot paper, I was at a rally in Camden. There was a thousand people in the room cheering on Corbyn, shouting: ‘We love Jeremy!’ and I shocked them by saying: ‘I don’t give a shit about Jeremy Corbyn!’ To me, he is a good guy, I support him, but he’s a placeholder for a different kind of politics.”

It’s this different kind of politics that’s energising him. In America, he says, “what the Occupy generation chose to do was to occupy the Democratic party and that’s effectively what the people who don’t like neoliberal capitalism have chosen to do here: to occupy the Labour party.”

That’s interesting, I say, because that’s exactly what Richard Angell of Progress says is happening. Only the word he uses is “hijack”.

“I’m quite glad about that, though all we’re really doing is reclaiming it.”

But at what cost? Won’t it split the party?

“We, on the left of the party, didn’t want this fight. But it’s like what General Sherman said in the American civil war: ‘You’ve chosen war. We’re going to give you all the war you can take.’”

It’s a slightly chilling answer.

Capuccino is my drink of choice too btw.