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Boris didn't seem to get much stick about his abruptly reversed stance on the EU though. I didn't hear anyone casting doubt on his secret voting intentions.
― calzino, Friday, 26 August 2016 09:22 (seven years ago) link
In other news it looks like the Labour conference isn't going ahead.
first bit of good news for the party in a while
― I like it when you shoot inside me Dirk (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 26 August 2016 09:24 (seven years ago) link
not convinced what boris thinks abt anything currently has much salience tbh
― mark s, Friday, 26 August 2016 09:24 (seven years ago) link
He got shitloads of stick for it, but mostly some time before the referendum, whereas the insinuations about Corbyn really gathered speed in the week or so beforehand.
― Matt DC, Friday, 26 August 2016 09:28 (seven years ago) link
Since it's pretty straightforward to trace how individuals vote, someone will have checked Corbyn's ballot paper at the time. If he had voted leave, it would have leaked within hours.
― I like it when you shoot inside me Dirk (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 26 August 2016 09:38 (seven years ago) link
first bit of good news for the party in a while― I like it when you shoot inside me Dirk (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 26 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I like it when you shoot inside me Dirk (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 26 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes and yet if Jeremy wins I was looking fwd to a no more mr. kind politics approach as the PURGE begins.
I've been following this twitter account er 'commemorating' the 50th anniversary of the Chinese Cultural revolution. I won't link but if you all want to know how it was done in the #goodOldDays
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 09:38 (seven years ago) link
No conèrence isn't going to mean a change in election deadline is it?Mean they drag it out still further before launching whatever other ploy is up their sleeves before everybody wakes up to the correct form of centrism?
― Stevolende, Friday, 26 August 2016 09:46 (seven years ago) link
if conference is cancelled, presumably Momentum's fringe event/rival conference (delete according to your opinion of Corbyn) will still be going ahead? I'm sure that will help with the post-leadership election amity
― soref, Friday, 26 August 2016 11:19 (seven years ago) link
I was thinking that the leadership election deadline was placed to tie in with the National conference. With that element of the equation gone will the centre/labour right be looking for an excuse to extend things. Or will they give up on this strategy and move onto some other ruse.From what I'm seeing so far they're not going to be happy if Corbyn gets reelected which seems likely.So do wonder what's next.
― Stevolende, Friday, 26 August 2016 11:32 (seven years ago) link
Struggle sessions, deselections ... nah probably just more of the same shit to come next unfortunately.
― calzino, Friday, 26 August 2016 11:42 (seven years ago) link
the Wearing piece is v good. this is more or less what I wanted to say y/day:
Let’s be honest. Most of us at some stage have used casual language like this (“lunatic”, “insane”), to describe those whose rationality we don’t share or understand. I’ll admit to having done so myself. But it is wrong. It perpetuates a stigma around mental illness and damages peoples’ chances of getting the care and support they need from society. We should all cut it out, especially those of us who aspire to high public office.
― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 11:51 (seven years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-smith-labour-leadership-kezia-dugdale-laugh-entryism-a7211131.html
OH THE IRONING
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 12:27 (seven years ago) link
How is it possible for this to get any worse? But here we are..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 12:28 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, being concerned that Scottish Labour members should show total support for the leader of the SLP doesn't look good from someone who called the leader of the Labour Party a lunatic yesterday.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:31 (seven years ago) link
Seems fair.
http://i.imgur.com/67KiWi1.png
― Alba, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:49 (seven years ago) link
fair enough tbh :p
― calzino, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah I think we can come together as a party to ban Grohlite entryists
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 13:53 (seven years ago) link
iain mcnicol is red hot chili peppers to the core
― conrad, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:53 (seven years ago) link
Labour demanding ideological purity for a change
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:54 (seven years ago) link
there's some Eagles of Death Metal quip not worth making in here
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 13:55 (seven years ago) link
Red Hot Chilli Pipers are an ensemble consisting of pipers, guitarists, keyboards and drummers formed in Scotland in 2002.
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 26 August 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
McNicol is married and has a son and daughter.[citation needed] He holds a blackbelt in karate
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 26 August 2016 13:57 (seven years ago) link
do labour expect all these people it's refusing membership to to vote for them in future
― ogmor, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:02 (seven years ago) link
yeah, as well as all the people who voted in the referendum that Owen Smith wants to ignore
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 14:03 (seven years ago) link
They are too busy chasing that UKIP racisty gold to care about a few hundred thousand members.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
it is almost strange how sanguinely the media watches these tools rail against democracy, against mass engagement, against the intrusion of the unwanted governed into the sovereign territory of those who govern. almost strange. aristocrat recognise aristocrat, I guess.
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link
it's like a supercharged extension of peter mandelson's "they have nowhere to go" thesis
― conrad, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
But along with the beating of official breasts and the show of distress at the hollowing out of mass politics, there exists in the practice of organized democracy a clear tendency to match citizen withdrawal with elite withdrawal. That is, just as citizens retreat to their own private and particularized spheres of interest, so too the political and party leaders retreat into their own version of this private and particular sphere, which is constituted by the closed world of the governing institutions.
Disengagement is mutual, and for all the rhetoric that echoes on all sides, it is general.
Peter Mair, calling it.
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Just come acro0ss the quote from Yesterday where JC says he doesn't consider himself wealthy or highbrow that has since been contextualised with his £138k salary. I'm assuming he was trying to highlight that art was supposed to be for everybody but wonder what mileage is going to be made by his critics and for how long.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 28 August 2016 11:54 (seven years ago) link
I WONDER HMMM MAYBE A LOT WILL BE MADE OF IT, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH WHO CAN SAY
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 August 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link
please god let this be true
https://twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/769965335411847170
― soref, Sunday, 28 August 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
at least gove's 'nubile young girl' moment was 25 years ago right
― imago, Sunday, 28 August 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
a Smith supporter who attended the event is on twitter saying that Smith did respond to someone asking if they could ask him a personal question by saying "29 inches - inner leg measurement of course", but didn't actually point to his groin. The Smith supporter is complaining that "they can spin anything"
― soref, Sunday, 28 August 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/770001414978433024
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 August 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
Wait, Smith was within heckling distance yesterday?
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 August 2016 05:39 (seven years ago) link
Mr Balls offers his reflections as MPs prepare to return to Westminster, and he prepares to appear on Strictly Come Dancing.
― conrad, Monday, 29 August 2016 07:31 (seven years ago) link
wasn't he considered "devoid of connection to the reality of people's lives" in the Labour stronghold he contrived to lose last year?
― calzino, Monday, 29 August 2016 07:56 (seven years ago) link
― soref, Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:57 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I can't see how that would make the quip that much less sleazy.
Unless it's understood that things are getting that bad in the Smith camp that he's relying on donations of trousers.
Did the actual question get asked. It wasn't something more along the lines of 'Now that your career's over what are your plans?' or something was it?
― Stevolende, Monday, 29 August 2016 10:53 (seven years ago) link
I just think he looks like a short Eric Morecambe.
― Mark G, Monday, 29 August 2016 12:49 (seven years ago) link
well he was born there.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 29 August 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Just reading Ed Balls' claims that he barely spoke to Miliband in the run-up to the 2015 election and reminded of the suggestion that Corbyn and Watson couldn't agree to meet without others present ... and ... and ... not really sure what I am trying to articulate but ... it all seems a bit ridiculous.
Like, I assume those of us who have jobs speak to the colleagues we need to, even the ones we detest?
― djh, Monday, 29 August 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link
ed balls thinks the tories deserve to be in government
― conrad, Monday, 29 August 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
a True Labour man through and through
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 August 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
the latest yougov poll has Corbyn 24 points ahead now and Smith on course for a dismal defeat.
"When Labour moderates come to survey the ruins of Mr Smith's leadership campaign, they'll have to ask themselves one question: what future do they have in the party? A renewed mandate will allow Jeremy Corbyn to double down with his agenda, driving out the last vestiges of Blairism and reshaping the party as he wishes. He'll have no need to be comradely towards anyone who disagrees given he has on the membership on side."
It will be an interesting show if Corbyn finally abandons his inclusive and democratic approach and starts liquidating the moderates. Gonna be pulling me up a deck chair if this starts happening.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:49 (seven years ago) link
idk if it's the same poll but there was another figure circulating that Smith had the backing of 68% of members who joined prior to 2015 - which will add to the narrative about entryism when he does eventually lose.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link
I thought it would be higher than that tbh, albeit from a much smaller section of membership.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:57 (seven years ago) link
Why does this take so long? A week to vote, a week to count at most. The end of September? The delay just damages the party. How many people didn't vote in the first couple of days?
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:05 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't the late September date to tie in with the conference?Has that actually been cancelled now? In which case they could actually move the announcement forward presumably.Or are there caches of people who don't vote until the last minute.
Presumably also more pressing concerns now that Parliament's back out of recess after the summer.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link
no the conference hasn't been cancelled
there's no reason to move the announcement
it shouldn't make any difference when people vote
― conrad, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:12 (seven years ago) link
It lengthens the period of instability.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:20 (seven years ago) link