"Owen has the strongest Labour values - he led and won our fight against the Tory cuts to tax credits and disability allowances. The polls show he is the most likely Labour candidate to win the next election."
This is from my Khan email, to get a fuller picture it should also include "He was also one of the 184 Labour MPs who failed many of their constituents by absconding on The Welfare Reform Bill"
― calzino, Monday, 22 August 2016 13:32 (seven years ago) link
Not totally sure if me asking my union branch to switch my subs to the Labour affiliated fund last week was too little too late out here
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:48 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
For anyone keeping score, no dice, you had to be fully affiliated before 15 Jan even if you were a union member before that
The day after they told me that I got a lovely e-mail from Harriet Harman telling me to vote for Owen Smith
I lose track of which bits of the Labour party/movement know who I am and whether or not I've said they can spam me so it's hard to know whether to kick off
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 22 August 2016 14:02 (seven years ago) link
So ballots have been sent today? When do online voters get theirs?
just received mine by email
― conrad, Monday, 22 August 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
It was interesting, BBC News was saying that a lot of the non-counted affiliated supporter applications came from people whop were already registered to vote in the election. Not sure what that means in terms of feedback and confirmation etc.
Also said that one applicant had tried to join 170 odd times which had me wondering if they were aware they had managed or not
― Stevolende, Monday, 22 August 2016 14:11 (seven years ago) link
Actually what data did you have to give to join?& were people who hadn't previously joined able to sign up as affiliated members or not. It wasn't only people who had signed up between January and July that were able to sign up as affiliated was it.
― Stevolende, Monday, 22 August 2016 14:19 (seven years ago) link
Was the £25 not as much of a deterrent as whoever instituted it thought it would be. & i wonder if that was both sides trying to sign on again.
I did hear nasty things about trying to get through on a limited connection at the time and how long it took. Also how it seemed like the connection crashed prior to people completing the transaction.
Also assuming that the non-counted attempted join ups were over an interval between the deadline and the final count. So were there any ways of dismissing attempts in place for recognised duplicates to be stopped live.
― Stevolende, Monday, 22 August 2016 14:42 (seven years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/21/corbyns-support-for-my-nhs-reinstatement-bill-was-not-inept?CMP=share_btn_tw
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 August 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
Voted.
― chap, Monday, 22 August 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
Oops.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/23/jeremy-corbyn-virgin-trains-disputes-claim-over-lack-of-seats
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link
The guy who wrote that is on Twitter saying that several passengers have contacted him to back up Corbyn's story.
It is obvs pre-planned to some degree but not a bad tactic given how widely loathed Virgin Trains are and how frequently people are forced to stand or sit in the aisles.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
The Virgin footage they showed was later in the journey and after several people had got off the train.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
I mean no one needs to make a video to convince the British public that their trains are terrible. Everyone fucking knows that.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
but that's the truth of the story - whether it happened to be jammed to the gills at the moment they filmed it is pretty much irrelevant
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
He should've brought his dadstool with him and knows it.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
Sometimes I have to avoid trains because when you have a teenager with autism as a fellow passenger and loads of fucking sweaty angry commuters all bunched together. It is pretty much a recipe for me ending up having strong verbals with people - which I absolutely hate. Another issue is that the track maintenance went to shit after denationalisation and people lost their lives because of it. Anyone arguing that transport has improved under the private sector has either never travelled by train since the 80's or is insane.
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
do people bother arguing that transport has improved? or that it costs the government less?
― conrad, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
Was going to say, even the pro-priv say things like "you have to reduce costs to make it economical and oh god can't it get taken back into public ownership please?"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:44 (seven years ago) link
turns out my £2.99 or whatever it was from last September was enough to buy me a vote after all, happy days!
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Oh really? I paid £25 thinking I had to. Might have to spoil the ballot in revenge.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link
Voted too. The £25 thing was just if you'd joined in the last six months, no?
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I did the same, it was in the spirit of paranoia that I lost £25 to these fuckers. I would have felt better if it was lost on Trap 2 in the 2.27 at Monmore or something.
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Renationalising the railways is one of those things that's through-the-roof popular with the electorate and that no one other than Corbyn has seriously floated as a policy. Blair pledged to do it in 1997 and then continued to renew contracts throughout the New Labour years. It's been successful on the lines where it's taken place in London, and the East Coast Mainline was much better before it was re-privatised a few years ago.
He should have focused on Southern Rail, even the most rabid Home Counties anti-Corbynite wouldn't have argued.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
@OwenSmith_MPMy campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.
Rrghghh. Why does everything this guy says sound so needlessly awful and smug?
(random Graun commenter) Second - if I was going on a 3 hour train journey and new well in advance what train I wanted I would have booked a seat. Clearly someone was not very competent
Great idea cz if you have a seat reservation there's always someone sitting in it anyway and there's no way "Jeremy Corbyn asks someone to get out of their seat" could be turned into a stupid news story about "so-called socialist thinks he's better than the common man" or something
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link
But everyone already knows Southern are terrible. xp
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
Southern were a farce again today :)
― imago, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link
He gave his reserved seat to a woman who was standing up, which just goes to show what a patronising brocialist...
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
@JananGanesh - Columnist for the Financial TimesYou can do analysis of Corbyn and his "movement" (I have done it) but the essence of the whole thing is that they are just thick as pigshit.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
lol. u ok hun?
― I like it when you shoot inside me Dirk (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
he's just disappointed they're not articulating the case for full socialism effectively enough
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
he has done analysis tho, so
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
BBC are going with the "hang this lying bastard" storyline re: the train vid so clearly i was wrong
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
if Smith said Icke knows the score and Hitler was right it would be still buried under this.
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
This leadership contest is the best of silly seasons huh?
Adam Lloyd-Binding @lloydbinding 12m12 minutes ago@francesbarber13 And lo, He sat on the floor, and He washed the feet of the other travellers #traingate
@francesbarber13 And lo, He sat on the floor, and He washed the feet of the other travellers #traingate
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
One for the Sadiq Khan fans:
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/business/khan-paves-way-for-scheme-with-96-affordable-housing/7016543.article
But that's alright because he'll whisper sweet liberal things, say the right stuff you know. So proud of the most powerful labour politician in office. Did you know his dad was a bus driver?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/twlldun/status/768109600390443009
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
Tom Peck Verified account@tompeckOwen Smith tells audience: "with me, you won't have some lunatic in charge of the Labour Party."
Owen Smith tells audience: "with me, you won't have some lunatic in charge of the Labour Party."
We want someone normal already!
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
This is ludicrous:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/23/jeremy-hunt-weekend-nhs-death-claims-unhelpful-say-civil-servants
A briefing paper produced last month by his department’s team looking at a seven-day service and obtained by the Guardian and Channel 4 News says the health secretary’s repeated allegation of patient safety failings at weekends to justify the switch to fuller seven-day care “has not been helpful”.
Guardian and C4 obtain this and choose not to make it their top item, instead its #traingate.
"Support our journalism for just £49 per year"
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
I'd pay that much just to fucking make the Graun disappear.
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
If ever I click on the Graun, I always make sure my adblockers are all set to 11
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
I've hated the Guardian for quite a while, them urging us to vote for the Liberal Democrats was the last straw for me, compounded by the Scotophobia of much of their coverage of the indyref; but living in a country with no broadsheet to the left of Tory has given me some newfound appreciation of the centrist rag.
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
but then who will be the voice of oh forget it i'm done
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link
it's good to see Owen trying to unify the party behind a kinder, gentler politics
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
this thread maybe is not the best place to get into this, but
I'm a Corbyn supporter (already voted for him yesterday, in fact)and I've had mental health problems since I was a teenager, but I don't really *get* ppl who are denouncing Owen Smith's "with me, you won't have some lunatic in charge" comment as being a mental health slur. am I wrong about this? enough ppl obviously feel differently that I'm fully ready to believe that I might be off base here, but colloquial use of words like "lunatic" like this seem fairly distinct from prejudice or stigma towards the mentally ill?
― soref, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
Neither of them think before they open their mouth but Smith's ability to undermine the view of him as the "competent" one is genuinely incredible.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
idk, lunatic to me is a dated synonym of mentally ill, would it have been ok for him to say "with me you won't have some mentally ill person in charge"? i don't care much either way but i have problems with it.
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
Like if you're going to call someone a lunatic maybe don't spend the previous month pretending to agree with everything they say?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
xp should say as well that I realise that "person who has had mental health problems" covers a whole spectrum of ppl who have had different experiences and may feel differently about these things
― soref, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
i think use of negative mental health insults are inevitable and not usually meant as a slur and should be overlooked and move on usually; but i feel bad nowadays if i use that language myself, and i would feel v bad and try v hard to avoid using it in a professional capacity
and because it's ingrained now doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards making it less acceptable, like other slurs that come from abuse of minorities
but the Twitter fit is dishonest because the issue people really have with Smith is not that choice of phrase
i think his "I am Normal" shtick is mildly offensive and pernicious tho
― Herodotus Reading (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah, I totally agree that even aside from the metal health issue it's a stupid thing for Smith to say - especially as to win he needs to win over ppl who like Corbyn and voted him last time, and calling Corbyn a lunatic shows contempt for those ppl
― soref, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
(multiple x-posts)
Agree that its ridiculous that "traingate" is leading over the Jeremy Hunt/NHS story.
― djh, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link