What are you going to do if McCain wins?

i completely understand being annoyed at people who emptily threaten expatriatism based on whether another asshole (in a long, long line of assholes) gets elected POTUS. But hey, if you have the means and ways and it was something you'd seriously consider doing anyway, then I'd imagine a McCain victory is as good a time/ incentive as any.

i mean fuck four more years of this asshattery. life's too short.

I had planned to move in 2004 but neither my wife or I could find a job that would take us out of the country.

(also there's a large amount of cowardice in running away from the country considering that enough votes can swing the pendulum back in your direction AND the people on the other side are so other-averse that they will never, ever leave regardless of who's in charge)

fwiw it is pretty hard to leave the US. no one wants us.

(unless you're independently wealthy)

I'm not missing any point. He calls a specific group of torturers and war criminals a specific derogatory term. As long as that's what he's doing, I don't think it's evidence of generic anti-asian racism, and dude gets a pass.

you're right; it's a lot trickier than ppl think. This has some A++ information about a variety of expat destinations & scenarios. but yeah, you've got to really want it. AFAICT, Argentina gives you the most bang for your buck and least amount of hassle re: citizenry.

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He calls a specific group of torturers and war criminals a specific derogatory term.

haha yeah he doesn't hate ALL the gooks, just THOSE gooks. those ones over there. the torturers.

I don't hate ALL those peckerwood cracker motherfuckers, just the slave-owning ones.

If you're a Jewish American, there's one country that would LOVE to have you. They give you cash, tax incentives, hook you up with work - lots of goodies.

oh yeah Israel is SO MUCH BETTER than the US. Love their foreign policy.

tired of living in a racist police state? Maybe you need to move to a different racist police state!

Actually, Israel is much better than the US. They've got some government issues, but the citizens are, on a whole, far more educated and liberal than the US. Obama currently polls very well in Israel (much better than McCain does), and most citizens are looking to end the territorial dispute. Unfortunately, SHOCKA, it's not that simple.

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I left the country because of the first gulf war - I had a "love it or leave it" conversation that really brought into focus that I didn't want to be in the US anymore. Of course there were other reasons, too. I had a green card marriage to a Dutch man, and we used it to get me working papers there. In my case, it's not an empty threat. My old employers there would sponsor me, I think. Problem is getting Scott to come with me. I doubt he'd want to leave. I work as a Dutch translator, so most of my clients are there anyway. I think it would help my children's education to spend some time in Europe. Also, warmongering McCain could potentially be president for 8 years and I have two young sons. If my boys were older and closer to military age, I'd definitely want to leave the country.

haha okay dude calling the US a racist police state is almost a dictionary-worthy example of hyperbole

haha yeah he doesn't hate ALL the gooks, just THOSE gooks. those ones over there. the torturers.

He does hate all the gooks. His torturers are all the gooks.

ok lol

Thanks for the insights, Kerm. Generally I don't come to ILX for my racist apologetics - but thanks.

AFAICT, Argentina gives you the most bang for your buck and least amount of hassle re: citizenry.

this is my backup plan though it's expensive as fuck to fly there. we have family there. and argentina will take anyone, as evidenced by their cache of nazis. I mean, I'm better than a nazi!

devil's advokerm

also, you know, argentina's economy collapses like the US's every few weeks or some shit.

kerm, i'm going to ask you again - if mccain had been shot down in an african country and said he would hate "the niggers" for as long as he lived, would you be okay with that

Dude spent 5 years as POW. He can call his captors anything he fucking wants. This is my position.

My position is fuck you, dumbass.

haha okay dude calling the US a racist police state is almost a dictionary-worthy example of hyperbole

haha yeah sorry I'm kinda cranky today.

He can call his captors anything he fucking wants.

Why is this, exactly? What does being tortured entitle him to call them anything he wants?

Why does*

I mean, being tortured sucks. But what does that have to do with what you call people?

fair enough. but can we say that this might be a pretty good argument against him being our nation's face on the world stage? you know, without being called ungrateful American-hating pricks?

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Kerm's position is that terms conventionally used to apply to an entire race of people can be applied to a specific subset of said race despite the inherent rhetorical fallacy.

(last part directed more to Mac boosters than Kerm)

xp Now that we've cleared that up....

Actually, Israel is much better than the US. They've got some government issues, but the citizens are, on a whole, far more educated and liberal than the US. Obama currently polls very well in Israel (much better than McCain does), and most citizens are looking to end the territorial dispute. Unfortunately, SHOCKA, it's not that simple.

― Mordy, Monday, September 29, 2008 11:49 AM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol are u just challopsizing or do u really believe this? i mean, it's a desert shithole where you're in constant danger of having the bejeezus bombed out of you, but it's 'better' because you think the ppl in your community have similar values to urs? does the fact that a bunch of ppl in a foreign country sorta like Obama have ANY BEARING on your quality of life?

were McCain's torturers gooks before they tortured him? or was this an honorary appellation that they were awarded afterwards?

I am totally not down with living in a society as highly militarized as Israel. See Joel Shalit's "Jerusalem Calling".

kerm, i don't know if you're playing devil's advocate or if you really are an idiot, but i hope you realize that serious, non-casual racism isn't something people decide on for shits & giggles, it's usually connected to some sort of negative experience. for example, the guys who killed james byrd testified that they had been raped in prison by black inmates, which led to them joining white supremacist gangs for protection - did they have the right to do whatever they wanted to people who happened to be the same race as those prisoners? throwing slurs at an entire race based on the actions of a dozen of them is pretty much the textbook definition of racism, not some bold exception to it

I wouldn't even understand that position tho. I was mugged by three black teenagers two years ago. I didn't start using derogatory terms to JUST REFER TO THOSE THREE PEOPLE. The term is implicitly generalized. Even if you're just referring to your captors (or muggers, as in my case). Not trying to equivocate being mugged to being tortured, but there's a similar thing at play. McCain shouldn't racially derogatory terms against any one of that race. It's the nigger/black man, or kike/jew fallacy ("Not all Jews are kikes!" blah, blah, blah). It's still racism.

Not trying to equivocate being mugged to being tortured, but there's a similar thing at play.

this is fucking stupid stfu

That's a bunch...

So, no Virulent racists hate for spurious reasons?

Kramkoob - fuck you. My point was that having bad things done to you - no matter what they are, isn't a justification for being a racist. And that being a racist against 3 people isn't keeping it specific. It's essentially generalized.

throwing slurs at an entire race based on the actions of a dozen of them is pretty much the textbook definition of racism, not some bold exception to it

I would have said exactly the opposite.

And I had a long post about Israel, but honestly, not a discussion I want to get into right now. I think you guys have some wrong ideas about the country, but that's fine. Fact is, when I've visited it I've been very impressed by the people there. I felt more oppressed by a police state when I visited Italy over the summer. But whatevs.

One guy hiring, picks the white guy and not the asian.

This was not because a black man ran over his canary, or something.

And I had a long post about Israel, but honestly, not a discussion I want to get into right now. I think you guys have some wrong ideas about the country, but that's fine. Fact is, when I've visited it I've been very impressed by the people there. I felt more oppressed by a police state when I visited Italy over the summer. But whatevs.

― Mordy, Monday, September 29, 2008 12:09 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha woah italy is pretty fucked up politically but probly the least police-state ive ever felt anywhere

Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening. Because...

I have some very sad news for all of you, and I think sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.

Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in.

For those of you who are black - considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible - you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.

We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization - black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.

For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.

But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond these rather difficult times.

What Are You Going To Do If Israel Wins?

When I was there, there were soldiers all over the streets and we frequently got yelled at for doing stupid shit - like sitting on a sidewalk. XXP

big place, italy.

Venice wasn't a police state...

real talk if i got tortured by blax i would prob be droppin n-bombs too (more than i normally do, anyway), but i wouldn't just be using it wrt my captors. everyone gets it, even tracy morgan!!! iirc mccain only clarified that he was referring to his captors AFTER ppl called him out on his gookisms, i think it's p clear he didnt just mean a handful of slopes in hanoi.

You guys could move to Miami-Dade County; we don't follow the Constitution here.