Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

Miliband had already said that Corbyn needs to go and was one of the MPs who nominated Smith last month, seems weird that this is being reported as a new development.

I'm not going to make my mind up until tony blair reveals his preferred candidate

Henry Kissinger

Lol @ the idea of Miliband having an influence on the bulk of the membership - including many of which didn't vote for him in the last election and didn't even join till he had fucked off.

only thing i want to hear from miliband is the location of the headstone he carved CONTROLS ON IMMIGRATION into

I read somewhere that the headstone has been destroyed, though I can imagine fakes doing the rounds on ebay in future.

Here you go http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/21/ed-stone-destroyed-after-general-election

although the confirmation is just at the level of 'anonymous staffers say', so who really knows?

I'm sure some Labour grandee used the gravel from destroyed Edstone to surface a drive somewhere in Dartmouth Park.

I always imagine the Ed-stone, along with the racist mugs, being tucked away in some massive warehouse like at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

looking forward to the movie where in the wake of Corbyn's disastrous 2020 electoral defeat Tom Watson in a fedora sets out to track down the Ed-stone and recover the Lost Spirit of Moderate Racism

... but as he attempts to leave the place with his prize, a huge spherical bacon sandwich bursts out of the passage behind him and mows him down

look forward to the scene where Frank Field melts

The Laboour right as those NEC results came in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2ZpsbGr7s8

*prayer emoji* etc

Local party meeting is at the end of my street tomorrow night including a (confidence?) vote on candidates. Dunno if they'll let me in - I think they've been thrown by the court decision. They say to bring your membership card, and mine says I'm a member, so we'll see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpaj-cRW8AAw0Ue.jpg

perhaps the tide is turning; bbc news article about recriminations following this tom watson interview refers to "moderate" labour mps :O

Bristol CLP Corbyn 267, Owen Smith 64, Spoilt 1.

‏@CLPNominations 11h11 hours ago
So far, 178 constituencies have made supporting nominations. 25 for Smith and 153 for Corbyn.

Not necessarily indicative but...

Corbyn's preferred candidate, Steve Rotherham, has just wrapped up the Liverpool mayoral nomination.

Don't know what to expect from the NE Fife party - things can be much more middle-class/liberal/right wing that the rest of Scotland. Never returned a labour MP - not as NE Fife, E Fife or Fife (so, ever).

Which *could* mean that they might be even more left-wing than avg: nothing to lose..

It probably depends how many students turn up. But my experience of being a student at St. Andrews was that they're all right-wing assholes, so who knows.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/10/leader-expelled-leftwing-group-militant-peter-taaffe-readmission-labour-corbyn

moderate Labour twitter up in arms about this, though I think they are underestimating the extent to which Taaffe is saying this because he knows it will get Militant/the Socialist Party the most publicity they've had in 20 years rather than because he actually expects it to happen. I can see why the Socialist Party would want to rejoin Labour, it's less clear why Corbyn would want them to rejoin, or what leverage they have to pressure him.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/10/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-contest-opponents-failures

some very pleasing fightback in the past couple of days against the Moderate Centrists - this piece in particular is like an ethering of what feels like 5000 social media conversations i've had the misfortune to read

bit startled to discover that taaffe is only 74, i somehow imagined him undyingly up there with castro, like some kind of unbending ultraleft númenorean

moderate Labour twitter up in arms

now that I find impossible to believe

few people in the world more pissy and hair-trigger than moderates

These extreme centrists are ruining the middle ground for all of us.

On Today this morning was an academic explaining why Watson has a less than elementary understanding of the true definition of Trotskyite and how the new influx of Labour members are a completely different phenomenon. He concluded with something like:"I'd be very surprised if there are more than 30 Trotskyites left in Hull these days".

we're holding on dammit

That many?

The context of him mentioning Hull was the 30000 crowd that greeted him the other week, as in probably 30 Trotskyites amongst them!

I went to the pub with half of them after the gig

Except you know there are loads of radical socialists who care about the Labour party and don't give a fuck about these pathetic labels. I see nothing unreasonable in having an unlimited horizon for how the world can be transformed - the only debate that should matter is the efficacy and ethics of transformation.

so it's not helpful if i burst in like the marxsplainy kool-aid man to point out that the swp are not trots but neo-leninists? :)

The PLP seem far more sensitive to labels like Blairite or Red Tory, which far more accurately describe their MO than Trotskyite does a lot of people that just want change and are used to being marginalised, or shouted down in reductive terms for decades - and really don't GAF.

XP well that's why I said "care about the Party" to distinguish our malcontents from the cult of SWP

Didn't a lot of SWP leave because some of its leaders were found to be a bit rapey, and other leaders either diminished it through bullshit 'internal discipline' or covered it up?

That is still ongoing as far as I know Suzy, I.e. Denials still in place

Somebody in the Graun used the term "delusional Leninist" the other day, this was actually in a quite pro-Corbyn piece. But it was pretty shit and I stopped reading tbh

NE Fife CLP supports...Smith! 19 votes to 16. Idiots. Plus, I was wearing an old Eraserhead T-shirt, and this old guy pulled it towards him (smoothing it for a better look) and asked 'that's not Trotsky, is it?'.

Lol shd've worn a Goebbels shirt

It was in the wash.

Say what you like but he knew how to communicate with the electorate

There was a bit less obfuscation from Goebbels tbf

also he was on the left of his party from day 1

Putting the socialist back into National Socialist?

So the appeal is going ahead and is actually in court now. BBC News court reporter was reporting from outside the court.

Also just read SWP denying that they are infiltrating Labour or even joining labour. They claim they're offering to work beside Labour in some places

So verdict on the membership thing expected tomorrow around 3pm.

& apparently according to a coup member legal guy who was interviewed on BBC this afternoon you can't tell if a judge is right without an appeal. Which makes the whole legal thing pretty questionable dunnit?

& if you need to legally define the term define in the first day of a court case does it mean that people are being extra thorough or wasting time?