I think it tends to be the Trots who turn up and act like twats at meetings etc, they have allowed themselves to become more visible than the thousands of younger people, partly because they have longer-standing relationships with some of the people around Corbyn. I've been saying for a while that there's going to be serious friction between these two groups before long, but that will probably happen after the leadership vote, and the idea that one group is in the other's pocket is laughable.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 12:26 (seven years ago) link
I can't even imagine the mindset of those Smith fans at the BBQ. On the face of it they look like educated and m/c adults, but also very childlike and suggestible ones, like they are putting on a show for the grown-ups and really can't wait to get back to the rec to play on the slide.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 12:35 (seven years ago) link
i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.
I think it largely comes from deciding you want to be a career politician and scrupulously following the standard route from youth activist affiliated with the mainstream of the PLP to PPE degree + Student Union role to SPAD to Parliament.
B3njamin Butt3rworth, a Young Labour activist who recently took the space reserved for minority board members of London Young Labour with the justification that his father's girlfriend is black, is an interesting, if completely grotesque, example of an up-and-comer with a laser focus on getting hold of the gears of power.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 12:48 (seven years ago) link
What I can't understand is why these people join the Labour Party? Its not like its a surefire route to power. Presumably there a few more Etonians and children of oligarchs standing in the way in the Conservative Party.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link
If you're going to accuse people of entryism the least you can do is call them Trotskyites rather than -ists. I don't know, that's just how I was raised.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:01 (seven years ago) link
how do you feel about calling them “Trotsky entryists”?
― soref, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:05 (seven years ago) link
trotskyentritis
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:07 (seven years ago) link
Sure, but it makes it a bit long. In a headline I would say 'trots', or if space isn't a problem 'trot extremists', because people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:08 (seven years ago) link
Gordon Brown.. Texture like sunnn
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 13:40 (seven years ago) link
people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song
If the Labour Party of tomorrow don't know who the Clash are (cf last night's University Challenge) then they're not going to have heard of the stranglers either.
― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 14:07 (seven years ago) link
That's the one xp
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
At least if Trotsky had committed a switched on mic gaffe it would probably have been far more quotable and witty than Brown's dour contempt.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
gawd ben b\/tterw0rth was on the graun politics podcast recently and my eyes were doing 360s
― cozen, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
he is poison
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
lol at any gorm who thinks they can seriously use "moderate" from their position of massive privilege in a massively inegalitarian sociopolitical structure
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
just a moderate, middle of the road, normal wealthy white middle class professional politico
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
love the subheading on this piece BB did for the Independent
http://i.imgur.com/DYcJcjJ.png
― soref, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
troll OTM
― Neil S, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
i hope every one of these crybabies has reviewed every word they've ever shared in public for bigotry, body shaming, mental health shaming, class prejudice etc.
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
"Labour" has a problem with trolling claims Twitter user
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
It could have been worse, they could have called him a Liz Kendall supporter.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link
at this point Labour has a problem with "trolling claims" unfortunately
― conrad, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
his article doesn't mention this, but it appeared literally the day after he tweeted the following:
Post Clapham drinking hunger solved by trip to @byronhamburgers with @DEFS01. Such great great staff! 🍔🍷
and unsurprisingly received a lot of flak for it. (*apparently* he hadn't heard about the immigration sting and subsequent boycott Byron campaign, and it was all an unfortunate coincidence)
― soref, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
lol!
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
clapham
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
you can't expect an ordinary moderate man on the street to keep up with obscure political campaigns or news stories
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
man on the Clapham exploitative burger chain
― Neil S, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
If I was looking for content for an as-yet-unwritten poor-me piece on trolling due in two days' time that's probably the sort of thing I'd tweet as well. Chances are he doesn't understand what a troll actually is.
Someone should just run on a Keeping The Labour Party Safe For Nice People ticket.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
ed miliband, following the milifan's lead, has endorsed owen smith
― conrad, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link
Miliband had already said that Corbyn needs to go and was one of the MPs who nominated Smith last month, seems weird that this is being reported as a new development.
― soref, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link
I'm not going to make my mind up until tony blair reveals his preferred candidate
― conrad, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link
Henry Kissinger
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
Lol @ the idea of Miliband having an influence on the bulk of the membership - including many of which didn't vote for him in the last election and didn't even join till he had fucked off.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 16:54 (seven years ago) link
only thing i want to hear from miliband is the location of the headstone he carved CONTROLS ON IMMIGRATION into
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I read somewhere that the headstone has been destroyed, though I can imagine fakes doing the rounds on ebay in future.
― So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
Here you go http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/21/ed-stone-destroyed-after-general-election
although the confirmation is just at the level of 'anonymous staffers say', so who really knows?
― So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure some Labour grandee used the gravel from destroyed Edstone to surface a drive somewhere in Dartmouth Park.
― corbyn-based life form (suzy), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
I always imagine the Ed-stone, along with the racist mugs, being tucked away in some massive warehouse like at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
looking forward to the movie where in the wake of Corbyn's disastrous 2020 electoral defeat Tom Watson in a fedora sets out to track down the Ed-stone and recover the Lost Spirit of Moderate Racism
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
... but as he attempts to leave the place with his prize, a huge spherical bacon sandwich bursts out of the passage behind him and mows him down
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
look forward to the scene where Frank Field melts
― the Zenga bus is coming (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
The Laboour right as those NEC results came in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2ZpsbGr7s8
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
*prayer emoji* etc
Local party meeting is at the end of my street tomorrow night including a (confidence?) vote on candidates. Dunno if they'll let me in - I think they've been thrown by the court decision. They say to bring your membership card, and mine says I'm a member, so we'll see.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 9 August 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpaj-cRW8AAw0Ue.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
perhaps the tide is turning; bbc news article about recriminations following this tom watson interview refers to "moderate" labour mps :O
― conrad, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
Bristol CLP Corbyn 267, Owen Smith 64, Spoilt 1.
― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 07:37 (seven years ago) link
@CLPNominations 11h11 hours agoSo far, 178 constituencies have made supporting nominations. 25 for Smith and 153 for Corbyn.
Not necessarily indicative but...
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 07:49 (seven years ago) link
Corbyn's preferred candidate, Steve Rotherham, has just wrapped up the Liverpool mayoral nomination.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 09:28 (seven years ago) link
Don't know what to expect from the NE Fife party - things can be much more middle-class/liberal/right wing that the rest of Scotland. Never returned a labour MP - not as NE Fife, E Fife or Fife (so, ever).
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:10 (seven years ago) link