Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

I guess the "naive young idealists being manipulated by sinister trots" line is an attempt to delegitimize support for Corbyn without maligning the thousands of ppl who have joined Labour over the last year, Watson being smart enough to realise that this would be a self-defeating strategy. they're not bad, just misguided! I've heard Neil Kinnock and Polly Toynbee framing the surge in the same way, but tbh I think young Corbyn supporters will resent being condescended to even more than being called wreckers or thugs or whatever

the hilarious thing is the idea that a handful of elderly trots are able to twist anyone's arm in any meaningful way in 2016

Hadn't heard Corbyn supporters refered to as bandwagon jumpers until that thing on BBC News this morning. maybe I'm missing the anti reporting or something.

Is it widespread thought and is it going to be something we're hearing more in the wake of the court ruling?

But apparently according to a source that Jude wasn't very forthcoming about saying anything about and is the um er obfuscation a typical Owen Smithite trait.

Sorry Jude was saying taht an undisclosed source had said that 50% of the registered voters were going to be Smithite.

can't believe the owen smith barbecue.

i guess more than the event itself, what i can't believe, i mean, and this isn't even a sleight on owen smith, normal family man who describes himself as normal, what i can't believe is that there are people out there who are enthusiastic about this man, who feel like they want to be part of his campaign. young people too.

i mean, maybe they're all just close friends and family. but any reaction to smith beyond ennui seems astonishing - i know people who are desperate for corbyn to hit the road but none of them have any enthusiasm about smith.

I have never met anyone, online or offline, who is enthusiastic about Owen himself (as opposed to enthusiastic about anyone who's not Corbyn becoming leader)

different story for Dan Jarvis who has least two fan accounts that are apparently not spoofs: https://twitter.com/DanJarvisLeader https://twitter.com/stepupDanJarvis

The young people they line up behind Smith always look so bored. I wonder where they get them from, but then I remember the kind of people who actually joined the Labour Club at university.

Yes, there's no shortage of passionately Moderate people in Young Labour angling to be the next Wes Streeting.

it is true as the vice bloke says, that a few of them do look very like him.

i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.

the hilarious thing is the idea that a handful of elderly trots are able to twist anyone's arm in any meaningful way in 2016

safe to say that the swp's current membership of five old men and a half dozen naive teenagers who'll leave in a couple of years are the ones pulling the strings in uk politics

I think it tends to be the Trots who turn up and act like twats at meetings etc, they have allowed themselves to become more visible than the thousands of younger people, partly because they have longer-standing relationships with some of the people around Corbyn. I've been saying for a while that there's going to be serious friction between these two groups before long, but that will probably happen after the leadership vote, and the idea that one group is in the other's pocket is laughable.

I can't even imagine the mindset of those Smith fans at the BBQ. On the face of it they look like educated and m/c adults, but also very childlike and suggestible ones, like they are putting on a show for the grown-ups and really can't wait to get back to the rec to play on the slide.

i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.

I think it largely comes from deciding you want to be a career politician and scrupulously following the standard route from youth activist affiliated with the mainstream of the PLP to PPE degree + Student Union role to SPAD to Parliament.

B3njamin Butt3rworth, a Young Labour activist who recently took the space reserved for minority board members of London Young Labour with the justification that his father's girlfriend is black, is an interesting, if completely grotesque, example of an up-and-comer with a laser focus on getting hold of the gears of power.

What I can't understand is why these people join the Labour Party? Its not like its a surefire route to power. Presumably there a few more Etonians and children of oligarchs standing in the way in the Conservative Party.

If you're going to accuse people of entryism the least you can do is call them Trotskyites rather than -ists. I don't know, that's just how I was raised.

how do you feel about calling them “Trotsky entryists”?

trotskyentritis

Sure, but it makes it a bit long. In a headline I would say 'trots', or if space isn't a problem 'trot extremists', because people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song.

Gordon Brown.. Texture like sunnn

people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song

If the Labour Party of tomorrow don't know who the Clash are (cf last night's University Challenge) then they're not going to have heard of the stranglers either.

That's the one xp

At least if Trotsky had committed a switched on mic gaffe it would probably have been far more quotable and witty than Brown's dour contempt.

gawd ben b\/tterw0rth was on the graun politics podcast recently and my eyes were doing 360s

he is poison

lol at any gorm who thinks they can seriously use "moderate" from their position of massive privilege in a massively inegalitarian sociopolitical structure

just a moderate, middle of the road, normal wealthy white middle class professional politico

love the subheading on this piece BB did for the Independent

http://i.imgur.com/DYcJcjJ.png

troll OTM

i hope every one of these crybabies has reviewed every word they've ever shared in public for bigotry, body shaming, mental health shaming, class prejudice etc.

"Labour" has a problem with trolling claims Twitter user

It could have been worse, they could have called him a Liz Kendall supporter.

at this point Labour has a problem with "trolling claims" unfortunately

his article doesn't mention this, but it appeared literally the day after he tweeted the following:

Post Clapham drinking hunger solved by trip to @byronhamburgers with @DEFS01. Such great great staff! 🍔🍷

and unsurprisingly received a lot of flak for it. (*apparently* he hadn't heard about the immigration sting and subsequent boycott Byron campaign, and it was all an unfortunate coincidence)

lol!

clapham

you can't expect an ordinary moderate man on the street to keep up with obscure political campaigns or news stories

man on the Clapham exploitative burger chain

If I was looking for content for an as-yet-unwritten poor-me piece on trolling due in two days' time that's probably the sort of thing I'd tweet as well. Chances are he doesn't understand what a troll actually is.

Someone should just run on a Keeping The Labour Party Safe For Nice People ticket.

ed miliband, following the milifan's lead, has endorsed owen smith

Miliband had already said that Corbyn needs to go and was one of the MPs who nominated Smith last month, seems weird that this is being reported as a new development.

I'm not going to make my mind up until tony blair reveals his preferred candidate

Henry Kissinger

Lol @ the idea of Miliband having an influence on the bulk of the membership - including many of which didn't vote for him in the last election and didn't even join till he had fucked off.

only thing i want to hear from miliband is the location of the headstone he carved CONTROLS ON IMMIGRATION into

I read somewhere that the headstone has been destroyed, though I can imagine fakes doing the rounds on ebay in future.

Here you go http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/21/ed-stone-destroyed-after-general-election

although the confirmation is just at the level of 'anonymous staffers say', so who really knows?

I'm sure some Labour grandee used the gravel from destroyed Edstone to surface a drive somewhere in Dartmouth Park.

I always imagine the Ed-stone, along with the racist mugs, being tucked away in some massive warehouse like at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

looking forward to the movie where in the wake of Corbyn's disastrous 2020 electoral defeat Tom Watson in a fedora sets out to track down the Ed-stone and recover the Lost Spirit of Moderate Racism