Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

:-)

It is no longer quite so difficult to not get angry about the Luke Akehursts of the world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpWps12WYAAJi6r.jpg

I mean sure it's flat on the page but what you have to consider is the deliv

Yeah I got that set of Labour fridge magnets too.

Izzard said he was going to "use his profile to engage and bring on board young people"

I was in rush to to get my online ballot in before the deadline and only voted for Rhea Wolfson. Just didn't have time to find out the other left/Momentum candidates.

sure i don't remember "compassion" and "fairness" and "cuddliness" being in the OG Clause 4

"hope" doesn't strike me as being particularly election-focussed thinking

JUst wonder if the Smith supporter Jude sold anybody on his cause this morning on BBC.

Though the Corbynists might have had a similar distancing message. Hope not.

couple of good pieces that i hope get through to at least a few of the more stubborn frothing anti-corbyn types

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/08/labour-party-mps-corbyn-conservatives-tories-post-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/jeremy-corbyn-supporters-voters-labour-leader-politics

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/09/trotskyists-young-labour-members-jeremy-corbyn-tom-watson

Amazing!

trotskyists!!!! omg.

saw that immediately after following lex's link to the "Corbyn supporters are not delusional Leninists" article and it read like one of the point/counterpoint pieces from the Onion

There are a lot of Labour MPs who I probably unjustly malign but there is just something fundamentally shifty and untrustworthy about Tom Watson above all others. That avuncular video game nerd indie fan act is so disingenuous.

a lot of the blanket condescension aimed at Corbyn supporters (they're all brainwashed cultists and trots!) is in the exact same tone I recognise from the 90s UK music press w/r/t fanbases of artists deemed unacceptable (all pop fans are hysterical teenage girls and gays with no critical faculties! all Tori Amos fans are your crazy ex-girlfriend!)

I guess the "naive young idealists being manipulated by sinister trots" line is an attempt to delegitimize support for Corbyn without maligning the thousands of ppl who have joined Labour over the last year, Watson being smart enough to realise that this would be a self-defeating strategy. they're not bad, just misguided! I've heard Neil Kinnock and Polly Toynbee framing the surge in the same way, but tbh I think young Corbyn supporters will resent being condescended to even more than being called wreckers or thugs or whatever

the hilarious thing is the idea that a handful of elderly trots are able to twist anyone's arm in any meaningful way in 2016

Hadn't heard Corbyn supporters refered to as bandwagon jumpers until that thing on BBC News this morning. maybe I'm missing the anti reporting or something.

Is it widespread thought and is it going to be something we're hearing more in the wake of the court ruling?

But apparently according to a source that Jude wasn't very forthcoming about saying anything about and is the um er obfuscation a typical Owen Smithite trait.

Sorry Jude was saying taht an undisclosed source had said that 50% of the registered voters were going to be Smithite.

can't believe the owen smith barbecue.

i guess more than the event itself, what i can't believe, i mean, and this isn't even a sleight on owen smith, normal family man who describes himself as normal, what i can't believe is that there are people out there who are enthusiastic about this man, who feel like they want to be part of his campaign. young people too.

i mean, maybe they're all just close friends and family. but any reaction to smith beyond ennui seems astonishing - i know people who are desperate for corbyn to hit the road but none of them have any enthusiasm about smith.

I have never met anyone, online or offline, who is enthusiastic about Owen himself (as opposed to enthusiastic about anyone who's not Corbyn becoming leader)

different story for Dan Jarvis who has least two fan accounts that are apparently not spoofs: https://twitter.com/DanJarvisLeader https://twitter.com/stepupDanJarvis

The young people they line up behind Smith always look so bored. I wonder where they get them from, but then I remember the kind of people who actually joined the Labour Club at university.

Yes, there's no shortage of passionately Moderate people in Young Labour angling to be the next Wes Streeting.

it is true as the vice bloke says, that a few of them do look very like him.

i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.

the hilarious thing is the idea that a handful of elderly trots are able to twist anyone's arm in any meaningful way in 2016

safe to say that the swp's current membership of five old men and a half dozen naive teenagers who'll leave in a couple of years are the ones pulling the strings in uk politics

I think it tends to be the Trots who turn up and act like twats at meetings etc, they have allowed themselves to become more visible than the thousands of younger people, partly because they have longer-standing relationships with some of the people around Corbyn. I've been saying for a while that there's going to be serious friction between these two groups before long, but that will probably happen after the leadership vote, and the idea that one group is in the other's pocket is laughable.

I can't even imagine the mindset of those Smith fans at the BBQ. On the face of it they look like educated and m/c adults, but also very childlike and suggestible ones, like they are putting on a show for the grown-ups and really can't wait to get back to the rec to play on the slide.

i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.

I think it largely comes from deciding you want to be a career politician and scrupulously following the standard route from youth activist affiliated with the mainstream of the PLP to PPE degree + Student Union role to SPAD to Parliament.

B3njamin Butt3rworth, a Young Labour activist who recently took the space reserved for minority board members of London Young Labour with the justification that his father's girlfriend is black, is an interesting, if completely grotesque, example of an up-and-comer with a laser focus on getting hold of the gears of power.

What I can't understand is why these people join the Labour Party? Its not like its a surefire route to power. Presumably there a few more Etonians and children of oligarchs standing in the way in the Conservative Party.

If you're going to accuse people of entryism the least you can do is call them Trotskyites rather than -ists. I don't know, that's just how I was raised.

how do you feel about calling them “Trotsky entryists”?

trotskyentritis

Sure, but it makes it a bit long. In a headline I would say 'trots', or if space isn't a problem 'trot extremists', because people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song.

Gordon Brown.. Texture like sunnn

people might not know who Trotsky is outsid of a Stranglers' song

If the Labour Party of tomorrow don't know who the Clash are (cf last night's University Challenge) then they're not going to have heard of the stranglers either.

That's the one xp

At least if Trotsky had committed a switched on mic gaffe it would probably have been far more quotable and witty than Brown's dour contempt.

gawd ben b\/tterw0rth was on the graun politics podcast recently and my eyes were doing 360s

he is poison

lol at any gorm who thinks they can seriously use "moderate" from their position of massive privilege in a massively inegalitarian sociopolitical structure

just a moderate, middle of the road, normal wealthy white middle class professional politico

love the subheading on this piece BB did for the Independent

http://i.imgur.com/DYcJcjJ.png

troll OTM

i hope every one of these crybabies has reviewed every word they've ever shared in public for bigotry, body shaming, mental health shaming, class prejudice etc.

"Labour" has a problem with trolling claims Twitter user

It could have been worse, they could have called him a Liz Kendall supporter.

at this point Labour has a problem with "trolling claims" unfortunately

his article doesn't mention this, but it appeared literally the day after he tweeted the following:

Post Clapham drinking hunger solved by trip to @byronhamburgers with @DEFS01. Such great great staff! 🍔🍷

and unsurprisingly received a lot of flak for it. (*apparently* he hadn't heard about the immigration sting and subsequent boycott Byron campaign, and it was all an unfortunate coincidence)

lol!