Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

I was wondering what the outcome of this case was. Haven't heard anything on BBC news so was wondering if it was being reported.
Wonder if there will be any further thought on the tens of thousands rejected during the supporter sign up. Or even if teh status of those who've payed £25 will be changed.

Otherwise wonder what will be done about that £25 that's been charged.

It did look like applying for membership had been switched off while the sign up was going on so still not sure if supporter automatically = member or if they want you to be on a standing fee for that.

Anyway, fantastic.

Lol, they tried so hard to rig this and all in vain.

Mr McNicol explains (paragraphs 37 of his First Statement) that he originally
proposed a fee of £12 to discourage “paper applications”, and to reflect the additional
costs of hiring staff to vet the registered supporter applicants. He says there were two
reasons for raising it to £25 (paragraph 41):

i) For the further discouragement of ‘paper members’.

ii) The minimum standard Party membership fee for an unwaged member is
around £26 per annum (in fact, it seems, £23.52: see paragraph 17 above), that
being the fee for unwaged members. It was logical to bring the fee for
registered supporters into rough alignment with that minimum Party
membership fee.

If members who had joined and paid the fee were not allowed to vote, that logic is
perhaps not obvious; but, again, the rationale for this is not relevant to the claim as
put.

lol judicial understatement

Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 7m7 minutes ago
Real impact of court ruling will be to further delay hard thinking by Corbynsceptics on next steps as will retreat to "Greens wot lost it".

Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 7m7 minutes ago
Labour's most widespread tradition really is that it loves a good myth in defeat.

seems otm

I'm still not sure if affiliated supporter = member or to what degree.
Are they going to keep those who've payed the £25 fee at that status or suggest that those who are waged top up and become full members.

any link pls?

full judgement is here: https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/evangelou-v-mcnicol-20160808.pdf

twitter barristers now debating what this means in practice

Greg Callus @Greg_Callus
My reading of the Labour Party judgment is Declaration & risk of having to repay £25 damages x 120k members is enough for NEC to reconsider

Greg Callus ‏@Greg_Callus
But Judge has given leave to apply for relief: does this mean if NEC sticks to 'freeze date' & pays damages, apply for specific performance?

Greg Callus ‏@Greg_Callus
Seems to me that who votes in Leadership election still - for now - a matter for NEC. Claimant's have won £25 damages each & a Declaration.

Greg Callus ‏@Greg_Callus
Notwithstanding Cs' victory on construction of the Rules, I imagine a judge might be somewhat slower to *Order* NEC to include newer voters

ty

at last the law getting tough with these scam artists

So this is the judge's verdict not something that the NEC has directly agreed to so far?
I think that was part of what the problem was going to be. Wouldn't it be difficult to enforce really unless the NEC agree to it?

But then again if they don't they will look pretty bad, not that they don't already.

So according to what I was hearing last week, the vote for the new membership of the NEC ended last Friday, when will the results come out? & when will the new NEC lineup take over?

I am not sure but I'm guessing the Momentum candidate Rhea Wolfson will have got a lot of votes, and hopefully Eddie Izzard got none.

no coverage as yet on criteria for who will be permitted to vote when ed balls appears on strictly

BBC News story has labour likely to appeal decision
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37009871?post_id=10206018898646269_10208652688969381#_=_

so do wonder where thsi si likely to wind up.

It would be interesting if they appealed, given that Smith has apparently said he's ok with the outcome - not that he could have said much different. I suppose the primary reason would be financial - the risk of having to pay hundreds of thousands of Pounds in compensation to people who were told to cough up twice.

Smith calling for the leadership contest timetable to be extended. not sure what the justification for that would be, aside from that he's on course to lose badly as things stand and they want more time to weaken Corbyn.

what are they going to try next? Fuck me!

McDonnell is right in saying that using their expanded coffers to finance an appeal doesn't look very good at all.

maybe Smith has realised that his best chance of winning is if he can get the leadership election extended for 15 years and Corbyn dies of old age before voting closes

lol! wouldn't surprise me tbh

I just read about Smith's promotional barbecue in London Fields and now I want to claw my eyes out.

link please! this was the one on saturday there?

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/owen-smith-bbq-in-london-fields - just reading it now.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph WTF!

One hip hungover guy (HHG) – aztec vest, messy beard, laceless sneakers and pink shorts, stinking of red wine – wanders past this beige scrummage with his girlfriend. His head turns. "Fuck me," he gasps. "It's fucking Owen Smith."

I preferred The Brewery Piss-Up With Ange - felt less contrived.

So according to what I was hearing last week, the vote for the new membership of the NEC ended last Friday, when will the results come out? & when will the new NEC lineup take over?

just been announced that the left/Momentum slate have taken all six available places.

:-)

It is no longer quite so difficult to not get angry about the Luke Akehursts of the world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpWps12WYAAJi6r.jpg

I mean sure it's flat on the page but what you have to consider is the deliv

Yeah I got that set of Labour fridge magnets too.

Izzard said he was going to "use his profile to engage and bring on board young people"

I was in rush to to get my online ballot in before the deadline and only voted for Rhea Wolfson. Just didn't have time to find out the other left/Momentum candidates.

sure i don't remember "compassion" and "fairness" and "cuddliness" being in the OG Clause 4

"hope" doesn't strike me as being particularly election-focussed thinking

JUst wonder if the Smith supporter Jude sold anybody on his cause this morning on BBC.

Though the Corbynists might have had a similar distancing message. Hope not.

couple of good pieces that i hope get through to at least a few of the more stubborn frothing anti-corbyn types

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/08/labour-party-mps-corbyn-conservatives-tories-post-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/jeremy-corbyn-supporters-voters-labour-leader-politics

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/09/trotskyists-young-labour-members-jeremy-corbyn-tom-watson

Amazing!

trotskyists!!!! omg.

saw that immediately after following lex's link to the "Corbyn supporters are not delusional Leninists" article and it read like one of the point/counterpoint pieces from the Onion

There are a lot of Labour MPs who I probably unjustly malign but there is just something fundamentally shifty and untrustworthy about Tom Watson above all others. That avuncular video game nerd indie fan act is so disingenuous.

a lot of the blanket condescension aimed at Corbyn supporters (they're all brainwashed cultists and trots!) is in the exact same tone I recognise from the 90s UK music press w/r/t fanbases of artists deemed unacceptable (all pop fans are hysterical teenage girls and gays with no critical faculties! all Tori Amos fans are your crazy ex-girlfriend!)

I guess the "naive young idealists being manipulated by sinister trots" line is an attempt to delegitimize support for Corbyn without maligning the thousands of ppl who have joined Labour over the last year, Watson being smart enough to realise that this would be a self-defeating strategy. they're not bad, just misguided! I've heard Neil Kinnock and Polly Toynbee framing the surge in the same way, but tbh I think young Corbyn supporters will resent being condescended to even more than being called wreckers or thugs or whatever

the hilarious thing is the idea that a handful of elderly trots are able to twist anyone's arm in any meaningful way in 2016

Hadn't heard Corbyn supporters refered to as bandwagon jumpers until that thing on BBC News this morning. maybe I'm missing the anti reporting or something.

Is it widespread thought and is it going to be something we're hearing more in the wake of the court ruling?

But apparently according to a source that Jude wasn't very forthcoming about saying anything about and is the um er obfuscation a typical Owen Smithite trait.

Sorry Jude was saying taht an undisclosed source had said that 50% of the registered voters were going to be Smithite.

can't believe the owen smith barbecue.

i guess more than the event itself, what i can't believe, i mean, and this isn't even a sleight on owen smith, normal family man who describes himself as normal, what i can't believe is that there are people out there who are enthusiastic about this man, who feel like they want to be part of his campaign. young people too.

i mean, maybe they're all just close friends and family. but any reaction to smith beyond ennui seems astonishing - i know people who are desperate for corbyn to hit the road but none of them have any enthusiasm about smith.

I have never met anyone, online or offline, who is enthusiastic about Owen himself (as opposed to enthusiastic about anyone who's not Corbyn becoming leader)

different story for Dan Jarvis who has least two fan accounts that are apparently not spoofs: https://twitter.com/DanJarvisLeader https://twitter.com/stepupDanJarvis

The young people they line up behind Smith always look so bored. I wonder where they get them from, but then I remember the kind of people who actually joined the Labour Club at university.

Yes, there's no shortage of passionately Moderate people in Young Labour angling to be the next Wes Streeting.

it is true as the vice bloke says, that a few of them do look very like him.

i'm guessing this type of passionate moderate belief system must come from one's parents.