Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

Looks like the precedent that people were looking to about this in terms of why he shouldn't be on in the first place was a situation where Neil Kinnock was trying to show off the level of support he had at the time anyway. At least according to what the court reporter was saying on Tuesday

Corbyn is speaking here on Saturday, so I look forward to a chance to mingle with fellow Trots, paranoiacs and fantasists.

... don't forget the thugs, they will no doubt be well represented.

i'll try and do my bit

"His former job in one Britain’s most important industries is a plus, when Labour leaders are always mocked for ignorance of the private sector. He shows he has energy and ideas: as blows fall on him thick and fast, he has bravery, with the chutzpah that any aspiring leader needs."

This is Toynbee talking about Smith's period as a lobbyist for the company that makes viagra, or did he do some other job?

Toynbee has got virtually every major call wrong for the last decade at least. I remember when she was calling the bailout of the banks a victory for the left while saying that most people in the country would not be affected at all by the recession.

I can remember her gushing nonsense about Obama from '07, it was as bad as her piece on Smith today and also it proved to be woefully wrong.

Her narrative that the Labour Right has been vanquished and Corbyn has served his purpose - now step aside - is straight from Smith's office. She is just a fucking terrible journalist. I haven't read her for years until today tbh, but I'm guessing you could make a bible sized book of her writing that would be at least 99% fatuous and dishonest bullshit.

classic New Labour, empty of head and heart, doesn't understand why the whole country's not middle class

This is her real piece d'resistance : Blair has to talk up war in order to make it less likely... (posted by Nakhc 10 months ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/04/iraq.politics

even a stopped clock hey:

"Tony Blair clung to one core theme: inaction is not an option. Saddam and his weapons are too dangerous and he must not be allowed to build them up and threaten all around him. Earlier action against al-Qaida's strongholds after previous terrorist acts might have prevented September 11. That sounds superficially good. But it omits the real calculation to be made. Will attacking Iraq be even more dangerous, destabilising the entire Arab world and begetting fanatical Islam terror regimes? Doing nothing - beyond present no-fly containment - might well be the better part of valour."

She's got 1000000 problems and is almost always wrong but she's got a great way with bombast and seems unable to stop writing 600-words screeds so she will always, always be employed

I'm not familiar with her but I was reading that name as Tonybee and thought for a moment that Tony Blair had reinvented himself as a female pop act.

I mainly know her from some comic strips she did in the Guardian years ago. I thought she was good at the time, but I was in my tens. Not really read her since then

Stevolende, are you confusing her with Posy Simmonds maybe? trying to imagine what a Toynbee produced comic strip would be like

Toynbee essentially an irl version of a character from a Posy Simmonds comic, I guess

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So far, fifty-nine constituencies have made supporting nominations. Eleven for Smith and forty-eight for Corbyn

It looks like almost all of the 11 Smith has picked up so far are in London, which makes a mockery of the idea Corbyn's appeal doesn't stretch beyond the capital.

The Toynbee paradaox, oh no it isn't a paradox forget it!

Yeah was thinking the comic strip was Tamara Drewe but couldn't think what the title was. Think that was mid 80s so quite a long time ago. Not read much Toynbee, wonder if they had columns in the same section at one point or something.

went to tower hamlets clp nomination this evening - gc votes only instead of the open vote they did last year no explanation of the rationale behind the change. poplar & limehouse nom jeremy corbyn, bethnal green & bow owen smith with owen smith receiving more votes overall. jim fitzpatrick mp (p&l) given three minutes to endorse a candidate spoke about jeremy corbyn and mentioned owen smith (who was his favoured candidate) when he was told he had ten seconds left while rushanara ali mp (bg&b) didn't say "owen smith" once or allude to him at any point while apparently endorsing him

Bbc news report about Corbyn being on ballot yesterday also said about the members' case about exclusion from leadership vote.
That starts next week.

Not sure about structure of judicial system in as much as likelihood that they'd get same judge or one with similar views. Just thinking is prevalent thought that judge would automatically say this is a Party matter not a judicial one? & this is over breach of contract anyway.
But would you be able to take a case if the judge's response would be known to be automatic. Would a reputable lawyer take it on.
Hopefully the outcome will be positive which might add to the amount of viable voters. Though what they'd have to do about the £25 then I don't know. Would mean them having taken it wasn't valid and might cause a stink.

His presence on the ballot was a matter of straight legal interpretation. The judge looked at the rules and interpreted them to mean that Corbyn wouldn't be excluded.

As i understand it, the exclusion of members is different and, as you say, a contractual issue. A judge can suggest it is a breach of contract for members to not be able to vote but that's different from requiring 'specific performance' - which would force Labour to allow them to vote. A more common outcome would be compensation of membership fees.

Sounds logical.
Would compensation of membership fees mean membership retained.
Wouldn't be very useful otherwise.

No, i think they'd probably have to give people the option of cancelling their membership and having their fees returned.

Yeah sounds like the opposite of desired result or at least extremely distant from it. I assume a decent lawyer would sit down with clients in initial meeting and outline likely outcomes. Not wanting to string clients along I also assume that those pursuing this case are people who want to stay with Labour but were just unhappy about lack of vote.

I've started following a bunch of Labour MPs on twitter and it's interesting looking at the "followers you know" bit on various accounts. afaict Owen Smith is the only Labour MP to follow @parisreview, Jamie Reed is the only Labour MP to follow @Full_KitWanker

Some controversy at the end of last week when it came out that the leadership announcement conference now clashed with the National Women's conference. I think both are happening just before the main labour conference.

& I would think that leadership might need to come out before the actual conference. Though both sides have asked that the announcement be delayed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z3x45

Mealy mouthed condemnations from politicians have done so much to heal the sectarian rifts and stop the IRA from committing acts of terrorism in in the past of course. I can't even listen to the full clip because it has Stephen Nolan on it.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276270/binaries/crowd%202.jpg

brown shirt and blue shorts on the right hand side = me

must've took that picture early on before it filled up

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276270/binaries/crowd%204.jpg

that's more like how it felt

hadn't been outside for a couple of days and got sunburn #thanksCorbyn

He was at the Royal Armouries in Leeds last night and was thinking of making the trip with Alex, but I started drinking too early...

for a helpless old man he's sure doing a lot of gigs

http://newstimes.augusta.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10914439.jpg

Ha

40,000 rejected and no refunds seems like an easy way to make £1m.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/02/labour-leadership-election-40000-registered-supporters-rejected/

Would be interesting to know if Samantha Cameron's sister was one of them.

THe Labour Party's fundraising structure is going to have to do something to clean up its image after recent events isn't it?
I thought the £25 thing was bad enough in itself without further restrictions.

& what is this about your vote being vetoed if you've voted for somebody else previously? Is that people registering more than once or people having their voting history checked? & if the latter what relevance to the current vote does that have?

I'd take 'a rival party candidate' to mean one from a rival party, but it's not the clearest journalism.

actually "previously supported a rival party candidate," sounds like a potential swing voter. Were they worried about people joining simply to disrupt proceedings. The Chattering classes vote or people joining from other leftist parties?

Also wonder how many people didn't think to check they were on the electoral register cos they'd sort it out before the actual vote happened. & because given an immediate deadline for registering for this and not being told it was an issue they didn't think about it anyway.

It was this way last year as well - paranoia about 'the wrong sort of people' joining, like they were the fucking Lib Dems or something.

Not refunding rejected members is straight lowlife behaviour and little more than a confidence scam. Christ, these fucking people.

do they really want to alienate all the disillusioned lifelong tories who have undergone damascene conversions since being exposed to owen smith's dynamite rhetoric and are eager for him to be their candidate for prime minister?

Wonder if there will be any more court cases against the Labour Party from people who would like to be involved in the Labour Party, but are just getting messed around by them.

Is the NEC election later in the summer or did that happen already. Would think getting the right people in there might be the first real step towards sorting this mess out. Instead of people possibly just being presented with the possibility of leaving and getting fees returned or what ever the outcome of this week's case is likely to be.

Surely the party's reputation can only suffer from pulling underhanded shortsighted crap like this and whatever floating voters walk away again.
Would think they'd be doing their best to entice people to get involved rather than playing childish games.

Also wonder if people are actually getting involved or being given the chance to really become so.

voting in the NEC election closes midday Friday

Surely the party's reputation can only suffer from pulling underhanded shortsighted crap like this and whatever floating voters walk away again.

The political events of the last year have been 90% shortsighted crap, why do you think we're leaving the EU in the first place?

Would think they'd be doing their best to entice people to get involved rather than playing childish games.

They don't actually want more people involved, or at least, they don't want people involved who are going to think the wrong way.

yeah, the naysayers in the PLP are not that stupid. they know that there aren't 40-odd thousand actual commie subversives who've been waiting to sneak in and wreck the party. that's why talk of entryism is just another piece of dishonest rhetoric from people who believe politics is the art of dishonest rhetoric. they have no real excuse for these exclusions. they are attempting to game the system and shut people who disagree with them out of the party. they are terrified of genuine democracy and genuine political change, for all sorts of reasons.

the influx of general left-ish hippies, peaceniks, communists, anarchists and kids who just want a different kind of politics is not conducive or useful to the running of the Labour Party as it currently functions. political parties tend to only be interested in the people prepared to devote their lives to the cause and play the appropriate bureaucratic games. there's a worry that a lot of the newbies attracted by Corbyn won't do these things. i think that's broadly true - the problem is that a party that relies on its hardcore nerds is automatically undemocratic, excluding people with too much going on in their lives to turn up to every committee meeting and every canvassing session. i don't think i need to spell out what socioeconomic groups tend to be excluded by this kind of ultraism because it's the same old same old.

Posting in a hurry:

https://jeremygilbertwriting.wordpress.com/2016/08/01/a-response-to-paul-masons-labour-the-way-ahead/

This is a good summary...what does a potential split look-like, the long game, fuck a 2020 etc. Has a link to that Owen Jones piece of questions to JC and supporters - big laughs all round.