Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

hope it involves death squads

Yes, i don't know how someone with extensive PR and broadcast journalism experience can come off so badly. For all his wider media faults, Corbyn is pretty decent at dealing with interviewers.

Exactly what I was thinking, no matter what you might think of Corbyn's PR skills, or lack of them, he's never been as bad as this.

Also, the Siadwel thing is just... undeniable.

Far as I can see it Corbyn tends to com e across as pretty genuine. Was surprised to see a couple of famous impression artists talking about him looking petulant a couple of weeks back.

& Smith is trying to come across as an ersatz Corbyn while going up against the real one and coming across as totally fake while he does it.

I guess the thing about that kind of transparent spin - shirt sleeves! young people! I am normal! - is that it can't be aimed at anybody who isn't a complete idiot and maybe that's the idea?

If not petulant, Corbyn does sometimes look like someone who can't always take a joke at their own expense - which is a perfectly natural, human response, and I think reinforces the idea that politics is a serious business that Corbyn takes seriously (as opposed to politicos like Cameron and Johnson, whose class and education have hammered home to them the value of 'charm' and the ability to laugh off criticism).

Funnily enough, given obvious blunders like the Little Red Book business, I always think John McDonnell comes across quite well when being grilled by ppl like Andrew Neil - doesn't ever seem to lose his rag, bats off tough questions pretty effectively, speaks in a human and even humorous way.

Yes, John McDonnell is always good. Corbyn is generally pretty good too though.

John McDonnell will almost certainly pen the best memoirs to come out of all this.

But then, I don't really understand 'flat footed' in regard to Rivette, who seems to know exactly what he wants to achieve through mise en scene, performance, dialogue etc (whether you think that's worth achieving is of course another matter)

LOL wrong thread!

Getouttahere with yer Nouvelle Vague.

sorry

I am normal.

https://twitter.com/steve_mccabe/status/755110702600290305

classic PLP

Nice.

He couldn't be further from the truth.

man the barricades! keep the proles out of the labour party!

If they end up forming Continuity Labour they can switch to an undemocratic system that suits them, until then stfu and stop slandering people who have joined your party.

Labour provo group next imo

The Shadwell Butchers

lol!

what happens if a CLP that's been suspended says "sod you" and continues to meet anyway as if nothing had changed? You can't stop people going into a room and having a meeting. Is it mainly a funding thing?

people who do that would probably get barred from voting?

Looks like people were planning to do it up and down the country.
& probably even more so since people are getting banned for trivial reasons anyway.

Hope the British telecom internet being down isn't screwing up anybody trying to sign up today

so wait if I signed up as a £3 member last year to vote in the previous leadership election, do I get to vote this time or do I need to pay another £25?

Labour website says: "Any eligible Labour Party member who became a member on or before 12 January 2016 will receive a vote without needing to register" but fuck knows what "eligible Labour Party member" might mean in this context

I was wondering the same, but I still paid the £25 the other day just to be sure.

The £3 wasn't to be a member was it? Wasn't it to register as a supporter, which entitled you to a vote? I might be entirely wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/jeremy-corbyn-poll-angela-eagle-owen-smith-nominations-labour/

lol

I thought they were saying that the £3paid last year was a one off payment which allowed you to vote once. & that if you wanted to vote in this forthcoming electi8on you needed to pay the £25 too.
Which is why it 's so much bullshit since people thought the £3 last year would cover them.
Also not sure how they'll twist this £25 in future, if PLP are allowed to pull this shite again they might say that this only covers this one vote too.

I've seen taht the £25 makes you a supporter, is that the same thing as being a party member or are there other steps that you need to take. Would be good if it did mean you needed to be involved in the running of local party events etc to do so, hoping that locals will allow you to get involved which one would hope would be automatic. Of course not everybody has the time to spend doing things but might mean that things changed if everybody did get involved.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-how-to-vote-25-justgiving-jeremy-corbyn-angela-eagle-owen-smith-a7144931.html

not lol

I got an email telling me I can vote and about the timeline etc.

I haven't got that e-mail yet, I got some Labour post today but it turned out to be a postal ballot for new NEC reps.

I won't be voting for Eddie Izzard.

former Lib Dem spokesman Eddie Izzard

I have never heard anyone talk as much risible shit as Izzard on politics, he makes Smith look good.

Still wondering what the difference is between being a full member and a registered supporter or an affiliated supporter.
Do you progress from one to the other or something or are they the same thing?
& if they are the same thing why did people have to pay again after paying last year.

Or was it a case of you needing to actively take part or what?

Izzard has never been a Lib Dem as far as I know. He is awful though.

yeah i don't know why i keep thinking he had been, Google doesn't back it up. former Blairite apologist Eddie Izzard.

Whose appearance on Question Time did so much to persuade so many undecided voters to choose to vote Leave in the recent referendum.

I actually believe that Brexit was caused by agents Chuka + Izzard, it'll all come out in the end.

Honestly, if you haven't seen any of that QT with Izzard... well, I would recommend wathcing it tbh, you'll be sticking forks in your eyes in next to no time... forget I mentioned it.

Prob not worth paying the 25 quid if I'm a unite member who's always opted out of the political levy right

wouldn't recommend watching it FFS (xp)

I heard what was probably the same babbling idiocy on the radio and that was nauseating enough without seeing him.

I've only just realised we've got another two months of this shit.

During which countless folk will praise the Tories for not actually bothering to engage democratically in appointing a new PM.

two months? the PLP shd be able to disqualify every Corbyn supporter in the country by voting time

Stephen Bush of the New Statesman is predicting 150k registered supporters signing up, which would net the party £3.75m if correct. Would be 50k more voters than last time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO_yZsUQj1U