Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

until 2011 the shadow cabinet was elected by the PLP, Miliband changed this in 2011 so that the shadow cabinet is appointed by the leader. ironically, the hard left was mostly against this at the time afaict - McDonnell said he was against it at the time and Corbyn had initially proposed bringing the old system back during his leadership bid, similarly to various other made over the years changes to strengthen the leadership that were supported by the right and opposed by the left as no-one predicted that someone from the hard-left would become leader

https://twitter.com/egg_dog/status/755442266156785664

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/

Don't think that last comment from last night from me was clear. In the video of people chugging for the leadership vote that was either on Newsnight or BBC news before that started the posh female Anti-Corbynite chugger said that there was basically no difference between Smith and Corbyn. Which seemed a bit strange if she's trying to push the opposite message.

she's not, Smith was on Radio 4 this morning and the message is "I am a lefty and I have some lefty policies but I'm gonna be a better leader than Corbyn"

the broad outline of what he promised wasn't horrible - large investments in public infrastructure including health, social housing and schools. he also more or less categorically apologised for past suggestions that there was a place for the private sector in the NHS - even said the Blair government "made a mistake" on some of its reforms

still don't trust him, like

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16102-material-slicker-than-teflon-discovered-by-accident/

lol

Just watched Owen Smith being interviewed. Jesus, he is embarrassingly awful. Will have to double down on my efforts to avoid anything connected with the Labour Party for the next year or so. Trivial point but if you're going to tell a heart warming story about going down to your local with the missus to watch the Belgium v. Wales then you'd at least better get the score right.

This is the worst Teflon ever, all my eggs are stuck to the bottom of the pan and have gone all manky.

Yes, i don't know how someone with extensive PR and broadcast journalism experience can come off so badly. For all his wider media faults, Corbyn is pretty decent at dealing with interviewers.

Competence leadership competence leadership oh shit he just said the exact opposite of what he meant to say in his first major interview.

I hope Corbyn actually has a plan for what happens when he wins.

hope it involves death squads

Yes, i don't know how someone with extensive PR and broadcast journalism experience can come off so badly. For all his wider media faults, Corbyn is pretty decent at dealing with interviewers.

Exactly what I was thinking, no matter what you might think of Corbyn's PR skills, or lack of them, he's never been as bad as this.

Also, the Siadwel thing is just... undeniable.

Far as I can see it Corbyn tends to com e across as pretty genuine. Was surprised to see a couple of famous impression artists talking about him looking petulant a couple of weeks back.

& Smith is trying to come across as an ersatz Corbyn while going up against the real one and coming across as totally fake while he does it.

I guess the thing about that kind of transparent spin - shirt sleeves! young people! I am normal! - is that it can't be aimed at anybody who isn't a complete idiot and maybe that's the idea?

If not petulant, Corbyn does sometimes look like someone who can't always take a joke at their own expense - which is a perfectly natural, human response, and I think reinforces the idea that politics is a serious business that Corbyn takes seriously (as opposed to politicos like Cameron and Johnson, whose class and education have hammered home to them the value of 'charm' and the ability to laugh off criticism).

Funnily enough, given obvious blunders like the Little Red Book business, I always think John McDonnell comes across quite well when being grilled by ppl like Andrew Neil - doesn't ever seem to lose his rag, bats off tough questions pretty effectively, speaks in a human and even humorous way.

Yes, John McDonnell is always good. Corbyn is generally pretty good too though.

John McDonnell will almost certainly pen the best memoirs to come out of all this.

But then, I don't really understand 'flat footed' in regard to Rivette, who seems to know exactly what he wants to achieve through mise en scene, performance, dialogue etc (whether you think that's worth achieving is of course another matter)

LOL wrong thread!

Getouttahere with yer Nouvelle Vague.

sorry

I am normal.

https://twitter.com/steve_mccabe/status/755110702600290305

classic PLP

Nice.

He couldn't be further from the truth.

man the barricades! keep the proles out of the labour party!

If they end up forming Continuity Labour they can switch to an undemocratic system that suits them, until then stfu and stop slandering people who have joined your party.

Labour provo group next imo

The Shadwell Butchers

lol!

what happens if a CLP that's been suspended says "sod you" and continues to meet anyway as if nothing had changed? You can't stop people going into a room and having a meeting. Is it mainly a funding thing?

people who do that would probably get barred from voting?

Looks like people were planning to do it up and down the country.
& probably even more so since people are getting banned for trivial reasons anyway.

Hope the British telecom internet being down isn't screwing up anybody trying to sign up today

so wait if I signed up as a £3 member last year to vote in the previous leadership election, do I get to vote this time or do I need to pay another £25?

Labour website says: "Any eligible Labour Party member who became a member on or before 12 January 2016 will receive a vote without needing to register" but fuck knows what "eligible Labour Party member" might mean in this context

I was wondering the same, but I still paid the £25 the other day just to be sure.

The £3 wasn't to be a member was it? Wasn't it to register as a supporter, which entitled you to a vote? I might be entirely wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/jeremy-corbyn-poll-angela-eagle-owen-smith-nominations-labour/

lol

I thought they were saying that the £3paid last year was a one off payment which allowed you to vote once. & that if you wanted to vote in this forthcoming electi8on you needed to pay the £25 too.
Which is why it 's so much bullshit since people thought the £3 last year would cover them.
Also not sure how they'll twist this £25 in future, if PLP are allowed to pull this shite again they might say that this only covers this one vote too.

I've seen taht the £25 makes you a supporter, is that the same thing as being a party member or are there other steps that you need to take. Would be good if it did mean you needed to be involved in the running of local party events etc to do so, hoping that locals will allow you to get involved which one would hope would be automatic. Of course not everybody has the time to spend doing things but might mean that things changed if everybody did get involved.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-how-to-vote-25-justgiving-jeremy-corbyn-angela-eagle-owen-smith-a7144931.html

not lol

I got an email telling me I can vote and about the timeline etc.

I haven't got that e-mail yet, I got some Labour post today but it turned out to be a postal ballot for new NEC reps.

I won't be voting for Eddie Izzard.

former Lib Dem spokesman Eddie Izzard

I have never heard anyone talk as much risible shit as Izzard on politics, he makes Smith look good.

Still wondering what the difference is between being a full member and a registered supporter or an affiliated supporter.
Do you progress from one to the other or something or are they the same thing?
& if they are the same thing why did people have to pay again after paying last year.

Or was it a case of you needing to actively take part or what?

Izzard has never been a Lib Dem as far as I know. He is awful though.

yeah i don't know why i keep thinking he had been, Google doesn't back it up. former Blairite apologist Eddie Izzard.