Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

These idiots have done plenty to help the Tories already. Not only Post-Brexit but also over the non-debate around Trident yesterday. Now off to the wilderness of a weak challenge to the leadership. This will only strenghten the bonds between the membership and Corbyn's team, give a further boost to Momentum, and of course even before the changes there was a healthy boost to the membership. Incredible idiocy.

not sure about the moustachioed woman on his left tho

that's no ordinary moustachioed woman - that's THE MILIFAN

lol and i've just realised looking back at that picture, he obviously said "round up some young people for me"

god imagine being full of youthful idealism for Owen Smith

i genuinely can't

she supported andy burnham the last time round

tbf she's clearly got the razor-sharp political instincts which would make her a valued member of the plp

supporting Owen Smith at her age she'll be in the Monday Club by the time she's 50

at least the young william hague backed a winner ffs

lols!

LOL her headmaster is (wait for it) Andy Burnham's brother.

Basically what I was saying is that both sides would really rather continue to make gasfaces at one another than split and both end up in oblivion. The right of Labour would be nothing without the red rosette and most of them would be out at the next election even if they did split. The left of Labour wouldn't get anywhere without the numbers in the meantime, and didn't tolerate 13 years of Blair and Brown just to split off now. Even together neither of them are going anywhere worth going.

I'm pretty sure Corbyn's plan isn't to turn Labour into a slightly bigger version of the Greens but who can even tell.

If the Shadow Cabinet had waited a year or so then a more orderly transition might have been possible, as it stands they've shat themselves in anticipation of an election that now probably won't happen.

Making my way through this piece (a reply to another piece linked on ILX) that gives an account of the kinds of activism taking place, "taking stock", etc. Making my way through now.

Not sure what this "orderly transition" stuff is about. He could've lost but he has never been that down in the polls I've seen. The polling nationally wasn't at all awful (hardly amazing but not awful).

Alternatively, for Corbyn to give up a year from now Labour would have had to run on a platform with this hypothetical leader that was way further to the left than almost any of the Lab right would've been comfortable with. Lots of concessions in the manifesto they wouldn't have tolerated.

I feel like Teresa May has already been PM for like 9 years

What's the story on the shadow cabinet being elected not selected. Haven't heard that idea before Newsnight tonight.
& i assume that a labour MP called Steve Kinnock may be related to somebody more famous of the same name?

Funny watching an Anti-Corbyn lobbyist(or at least chugger)saying that Owen Smith and him are almost exactly the same

until 2011 the shadow cabinet was elected by the PLP, Miliband changed this in 2011 so that the shadow cabinet is appointed by the leader. ironically, the hard left was mostly against this at the time afaict - McDonnell said he was against it at the time and Corbyn had initially proposed bringing the old system back during his leadership bid, similarly to various other made over the years changes to strengthen the leadership that were supported by the right and opposed by the left as no-one predicted that someone from the hard-left would become leader

https://twitter.com/egg_dog/status/755442266156785664

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/

Don't think that last comment from last night from me was clear. In the video of people chugging for the leadership vote that was either on Newsnight or BBC news before that started the posh female Anti-Corbynite chugger said that there was basically no difference between Smith and Corbyn. Which seemed a bit strange if she's trying to push the opposite message.

she's not, Smith was on Radio 4 this morning and the message is "I am a lefty and I have some lefty policies but I'm gonna be a better leader than Corbyn"

the broad outline of what he promised wasn't horrible - large investments in public infrastructure including health, social housing and schools. he also more or less categorically apologised for past suggestions that there was a place for the private sector in the NHS - even said the Blair government "made a mistake" on some of its reforms

still don't trust him, like

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16102-material-slicker-than-teflon-discovered-by-accident/

lol

Just watched Owen Smith being interviewed. Jesus, he is embarrassingly awful. Will have to double down on my efforts to avoid anything connected with the Labour Party for the next year or so. Trivial point but if you're going to tell a heart warming story about going down to your local with the missus to watch the Belgium v. Wales then you'd at least better get the score right.

This is the worst Teflon ever, all my eggs are stuck to the bottom of the pan and have gone all manky.

Yes, i don't know how someone with extensive PR and broadcast journalism experience can come off so badly. For all his wider media faults, Corbyn is pretty decent at dealing with interviewers.

Competence leadership competence leadership oh shit he just said the exact opposite of what he meant to say in his first major interview.

I hope Corbyn actually has a plan for what happens when he wins.

hope it involves death squads

Yes, i don't know how someone with extensive PR and broadcast journalism experience can come off so badly. For all his wider media faults, Corbyn is pretty decent at dealing with interviewers.

Exactly what I was thinking, no matter what you might think of Corbyn's PR skills, or lack of them, he's never been as bad as this.

Also, the Siadwel thing is just... undeniable.

Far as I can see it Corbyn tends to com e across as pretty genuine. Was surprised to see a couple of famous impression artists talking about him looking petulant a couple of weeks back.

& Smith is trying to come across as an ersatz Corbyn while going up against the real one and coming across as totally fake while he does it.

I guess the thing about that kind of transparent spin - shirt sleeves! young people! I am normal! - is that it can't be aimed at anybody who isn't a complete idiot and maybe that's the idea?

If not petulant, Corbyn does sometimes look like someone who can't always take a joke at their own expense - which is a perfectly natural, human response, and I think reinforces the idea that politics is a serious business that Corbyn takes seriously (as opposed to politicos like Cameron and Johnson, whose class and education have hammered home to them the value of 'charm' and the ability to laugh off criticism).

Funnily enough, given obvious blunders like the Little Red Book business, I always think John McDonnell comes across quite well when being grilled by ppl like Andrew Neil - doesn't ever seem to lose his rag, bats off tough questions pretty effectively, speaks in a human and even humorous way.

Yes, John McDonnell is always good. Corbyn is generally pretty good too though.

John McDonnell will almost certainly pen the best memoirs to come out of all this.

But then, I don't really understand 'flat footed' in regard to Rivette, who seems to know exactly what he wants to achieve through mise en scene, performance, dialogue etc (whether you think that's worth achieving is of course another matter)

LOL wrong thread!

Getouttahere with yer Nouvelle Vague.

sorry

I am normal.

https://twitter.com/steve_mccabe/status/755110702600290305

classic PLP

Nice.

He couldn't be further from the truth.

man the barricades! keep the proles out of the labour party!

If they end up forming Continuity Labour they can switch to an undemocratic system that suits them, until then stfu and stop slandering people who have joined your party.

Labour provo group next imo

The Shadwell Butchers

lol!

what happens if a CLP that's been suspended says "sod you" and continues to meet anyway as if nothing had changed? You can't stop people going into a room and having a meeting. Is it mainly a funding thing?