Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

I joined pre 12th Jan, but I thought I still had to become a registered supporter to vote in the leadership election. I will be phoning them tomorrow for my money back!

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PLP = Pitiful Liberal Ponzi

lol 'liberal'

I still have always liked Eagle, which is why I find all of this disappointing. Smith can go fuck himself.

There are decent people making questionable decisions on every side here bar Tory Labour tbf

I am kicking myself for giving them that £25 despite being eligible to vote. Better not open any spam emails since I became such an easy mark.

do registered supporters get 25£ off subsequent membership fees?

Do we accept the narrative that Corbyn is "a decent bloke who is unelectable as a Prime Minister"?

And is there really no-one who is left-wing, decent and charismatic enough to stand a chance of winning an election?

(I assume Smith/Eagle are *charismatic* to a degree, to have got where they have got to ... but they don't make me think that May isn't going to win the next election with barely any effort).

can't stop laughing at this

@iankatz1000
Top fact about @OwenSmith_MP, man who cd be Lab leader: as young BBC producer asked to get police comment on story, he called 999 #newsnight

I feel like some switch has flipped and pretty much all politicians have become anachronistic overnight, absurdities suited to some alien age

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tbf he was probably repeatedly trying to press the speed dial button to daddy.

As it stands, Corbyn can't even form a functioning opposition let alone win an election. The fact that *everyone knows that* and yet he still overwhelming favourite to beat whichever of Smith or Eagle remains in the race suggests that something else is going on here.

When he wins, Labour MPs will finally need to pull their heads out of their arses and address the bigger issue, namely the complete atrophying of trust between a majority of Labour members and their MPs. The party will continue to cling to Corbyn like a life raft until someone can convince the party that they aren't going to pull some shit like abstaining on the welfare bill again.

The approach - essentially insulting Corbyn supporters as cultists, entryists, fatasists, Trots, misogynists, etc rather than trying to make any kind of case for them to reconsider their support - has shown how little they have in the cupboard other than 'electability' which nobody really believes either.

correct

I assume a lot of Corbyn's following is like me: not buying into any personality cult (lol) but implacably opposed to virtually everybody who's lined up against him in politics or media

^^^

sure they make themselves look more and more like what they are, but you get the feeling they'd break the party up rather than allow it to fall into the hands of dangerous lefties anyway

― the lion tweets tonight (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 21:35 (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gosh I was otm a lot last year

The idea that people have been sucked into a leftist cult by the charismatic Corbyn is quite hilarious. If the Labour Right were any good they would have no problem drumming up a 100000 "entryist" supporters of their own, if there isn't that tiny number willing to get behind them than their constant talk of electoral credibility is nonsense.

I'd vote for anyone that could convince me they were socialist. Other than that I have no unusual affection for Corbyn, and there are lots of failings on his part. I don't really see much of a personality cult to his supporters, but I might interact with different sections of his support than others.

My feeling is that people support Corbyn because neo-Labour wouldn't be arsed with actually representing the left/workers and would use his resignation/defeat to tell members and the electorate that winning is about tacking to the centre.

I assume a lot of Corbyn's following is like me: not buying into any personality cult (lol) but implacably opposed to virtually everybody who's lined up against him in politics or media

― PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:29 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

p much

Radio 4 says Eagle's about to make a statement, likely to be a withdrawal

the eagle has crash-landed

never really took off tbh

failed to cash in on this year's Eddie the Eagle mania

Failed, to cash in on this year's Eddie the eagle mania

thanks, better

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPQ_M3yJTA

This is like when the Boo Radleys split up. My hometown can shuffle off back into obscurity again now.

What a disaster for manufacturers of all-pink Union Jacks.

Labour Party: still hating women in 2016

I much prefer Eagle to Smith.

To me it is like choosing between standing on cat-shit or dog-shit, but Smith is much more vile.

Sure; it wasn't meant as an endorsement of Eagle.

of course, I know you meant as a person rather than as a politician.

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i like a man who is prepared to roll his sleeves up and point a lot at imaginary things. he's very dynamic, don't you know?

oh that's straight out of the Blair playbook. not sure about the moustachioed woman on his left tho

They've got a hundred and however many MPs to choose from, it's genuinely astonishing to me they've settled on one this mediocre.

hey there's time for some more comedy candidates yet

what the PLP is doing, i just can't

has there ever been an example of this sort of party undermining, cutting one's nose off to spite one's face? ever?

i mean SURELY the politically expedient grown-up thing to do would be to thrash this out privately and publicly stand together apart from a few free votes "of conscience". i mean even by their own standards of craven self-interest this is completely self-defeating?

Corbyn is too popular to be removed through normal channels. At least, for now. They need to present the party as publicly on the verge of splitting to pressurise soft Corbyn supporters into voting for a 'unity' candidate. It has to be messy and melodramatic or it won't have a hope of working. The interesting question isn't so much the means but the timing.

Popular / stubborn. The plan was clearly for him to resign quietly.

it's incredible that labour were handed one of the biggest open goals in recent political history with the fallout from Brexit and they've still managed to smash he ball not just over the crossbar but right out of the stadium

brian

When he wins, Labour MPs will finally need to pull their heads out of their arses and address the bigger issue, namely the complete atrophying of trust between a majority of Labour members and their MPs.

They couldn't even organise a coup properly, and I can't see them doing this. Too many years of mutual contempt.

Corbyn and team have to prepare the ground for a split.

Piece today is a preview: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/the-fight-for-labours-soul-what-the-partys-brutal-1981-split-means-today

A split does no one any favours other than the Tories really. I just can't see any wing of the party going for it, Corbyn is a 70 year old man, he isn't going to be around forever, and the landscape can change very quickly indeed.

He's 67! I don't see there being a split either.