Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

Owen Smith just promised a second referendum. The chance of him being able to deliver one is basically zero but that's actually quite a smart move.

it seems weird that Smith has chosen the day that May becomes PM and announces her cabinet to launch his leadership bid (I know it was only Monday that Leadsom dropped out - I guess he figured that if he put it back then Eagle would have the chance to steal a march on him?)

i'm not sure that it's "smart" per se but by gum at least it's a policy

As a vote winning gimmick it might just work.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/13/owen-smith-to-offer-referendum-on-brexit-deal-if-elected-labour-leader

Smith, whose entry into the race for party leader threatens to derail the hopes of Angela Eagle, who first triggered the contest, said it was clear people wanted both access to the single market and controls on immigration.

But, he added, the public wanted to know what deal would be struck, adding: “And then we should give them another chance. That does mean a second referendum or a general election when the terms are clear. The Labour government should be committing to that.”

isn't the general consensus that these two things are mutually exclusive?

Trying to set himself out as a unifying figure with soft-left politics, Smith accused Labour MPs on the left and right of his party of being fatalistic about a split.

more like soft-in-the-head left, amirite

how do you get to self-identify as Left if you don't give a fuck about contesting the existing economic order?

soft-left is a feeling, a squooshy, cuddly feeling

also i was joking when i said "go to the country and offer a second referendum but with harder questions"

am I right in thinking that "soft-left" as an appellation was first applied to Kinnock and the ppl around him who abstained when Tony Benn challenged Healy for the deputy leadership in 1981, and then more generally to the group supporting Kinnock's long slow project of divesting Labour of any identifiably left-wing policies, ending with Blair becoming leader? it seems an odd banner to try and rally people under.

also i was joking when i said "go to the country and offer a second referendum but with harder questions"

― PLPeni (Noodle Vague)

now that's an interesting idea- instead of making people pass a poll test before they vote, make a poll test part of the vote and tabulate the answers. if you're trying to get rid of democracy (which it seems like a lot of people are), that certainly could be of some assistance.

I'm sure that this has been written about many times, but it's interesting that most of the senior figures in New Labour started off on the left of the party, to the point that the nominal "soft-left" faction was apparently frustrated with John Smith's lack of enthusiasm for "modernising" reforms despite him coming from the old right of the party

would anyone who voted in this poll have changed their vote if it had been Corbyn vs Owen Smith rather than Corbyn vs Eagle?

soft lads more like

Dunno, should we do another one?

FYI I was on my phone and clicked the Eagle option by mistake so she only has one vote.

lol, she really can't catch a break

FYI I was on my phone and clicked the Eagle option by mistake so she only has one vote.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:11 (38 minutes ago) Permalink

misogynistic bullying imo. On your 'bro'ne more like.

The new Labour rules dictate that anyone who applies to vote who has posted on social media suggesting a Labour MP is 'scum', 'a traitor' or 'a scab' will be barred from voting.

lol that's me gone

plenty of corbyn is scum social media posts I trust a thorough search will be performed

i was gonna say they realise this is unworkable, but of course it will turn out to be workable when it suits

also they should produce a glossary of unacceptable words to describe Blairites

they did this last leadership election tho - tried to keep anybody who'd ever used words like socialism or Marx or illegal war of aggression off the ballot

The NEC has also decided that the 6 month freeze also applies to unions and affiliates so the UNITE effort to sign people up for £2, for example, has been stymied.

infuriating

does unite have recourse to stop this beyond half-heartedly threatening to take their money elsewhere entirely? Saw tweet indicating that Unison and GMB agreed with it and werent contesting it but so much unsourced horseshit coming out about all of this lately it's hard to know how mad to be at them

We said if you joined you could vote for party leader; we didn't say when or which one

they will have to refund a lot of people, surely

Both sides obviously don't believe the other side should exist within the same party as them so a split looks like the only long-term workable option. Otherwise this is going to repeat itself time and time again.

corbyn backed by the unions and with a strong base of support will surely keep the name, and I would think the labour right with their mantra of electability would be aware that setting up a new party had a high chance of proving to be suicide, so I can imagine this battle going on for a long time, especially while it's close and there are still a lot of people on the fence to win over

That broken window at Eagle's constituency office a closer look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=167&v=ppnKHmuVA1s
i.e. that wasn't her office window it's on a shared stairwell so looks mor elikely to have been an attempted burglary.
But there may be less mileage in that.

https://s32.postimg.org/syyiw0q85/Cnp1_EQj_XEAAv_Rwq.jpg

Seems an interesting angle to lead with if you're running against LGBT candidate.

https://s32.postimg.org/syyiw0q85/Cnp1_EQj_XEAAv_Rwq.jpg

it's because he can't say "I'm working class" or "I'm Labour"

and he so desperately wants to appeal on those tickets

It reads as a hamfisted play for Everybloke status but if he couldn't foresee how that might be spun given the situation then he's pretty naive.

Didn't he recently notice how a similar strategy worked so well for Leadsom? Not only incompetent but also completely abhorrent.

I am going to try and pay the £25 at 5.00 pm, if it contributes towards stopping this this piece of shit it will be a bargain.

whoever said about him looking like Shadwell is not wrong tho

just an everyday normal guy who made £80k as a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry

"I'm normal," says Owen Smith to lady he's just sat down next to on bus.

"I have a wife and children. I love macroeconomics."

"Feel my muscles, go on."

Even if he didn't intend it as a dog-whistle, he's now given two interviews in two days that have required further explanation after the fact. That's quite a strike rate so far.

"I can go on the bus on my own."

"i want a world without nuclear weapons altogether, but i don't think we hasten that by divesting," he adds, his eyes rolling slightly in their sockets

He's rolling his eyes as he's speaking himself. I thought that eye rolling was on teh list of vetoed behaviour taht's circulating various CLPs.

"i too enjoy a schooner of wine at the end of a hard day's completion of tasks. my tentacles are like yours, made of human flesh and blood..."

Sounds like the registering to vote has been a major pain. Large amounts of people trying to get through at the same time and overloading the thing. Kind of predictable really.

Also looks like they did succeed in allowing people to donate membership fees or alternatively get fee loans from related organisations.

Just heard Jeremy talking about why he's voting against Trident on BBC News live from the House of Commons. Though he has given his party the free vote.

The Guardian understands that meetings are under way between the teams of Smith and Eagle, with some urging them to consider a joint ticket in which one runs as a shadow chancellor to the other as leader

That worked really well last time someone tried that.

When you register they ask your Facebook/Twitter ID and I'm not on either so I don't know how that is going to work out. Also it states you can only pay with credit card featuring your own address, all very classy and democratic.

Shit, I joined well before January so I'm not sure if needed to become a registered member.