Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

corbyn was only six out of 10 for remain but said he was seven(!)

Will any Labour MP stand for leader with an unambiguous pledge to keep Britain in the EU? I think they might beat Corbyn if that happens.

lol that would make Corbyn the pragmatic electable one facing a challenge from an ideologue sure to be soundly rejected in middle england

He is making the right noises. If the result of the referendum is anything to go by then he isn't getting the right people to listen to him.

Name anybody in Lab else who does this - and will not sound like a racist in the process - and I'll buy you a can of capitalist Coca-Cola

Would be interesting if it is A. Eagle they decide on given that she backed the war in Iraq and Chilcot is a week away. Her constituency members have written to her demanding she doesn't back the vote of no confidence. She's far more likely to have the confidence of The Economist, etc than Watson.

nicholaswatt: Labour vote. 172 no confidence in @jeremycorbyn 40 have confidence. 216 voted

Oofff

More than enough for a shadow cabinet! He must be delighted.

In seriousness, he can get on the ballot with those numbers, should he wish to and should they stick with him.

I wonder if Corbyn had any kind of resignation threshold or if he would have hung on if everyone except McDonnell and Diane Abbott had voted against him. And whether that number exceeds his threshold.

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How many 40-year-olds will pass into their reactionary 50s though? The boom had a long tail

also lol

yeah his "even if nobody changes their mind" point is actually "assuming nobody changes their mind and a ton of other stuff"

but still yes lol

Let's say that Labour somehow manage to unearth the next Barack Obama from round the back of a seat in the commons and they beat Corbyn. In that scenario, there's basically zero chance that the next Tory leader would agree to a snap election, right?

feel deeply wounded that 'will brambley' gets paid more attention on ilx than me. looking at the numbers more closely though, with over 65s only 60/40 in favour of leave it would take more like 10 years to tip the balance with everything else being equal &c. &c.

Got to be a Labour breakaway party now, no?

Please

In that scenario, there's basically zero chance that the next Tory leader would agree to a snap election, right?

Boris already minded to rule one out, apparently:

https://twitter.com/rosschawkins/status/747810917660921856

who breaks away from who though? xp

Aaaaaaand Boris has appointed Lynton Crosby to lead his campaign, which is like putting a petrol bomb on a fire.

The fight is now chiefly over which wing gets to keep the 'Labour' brand. xp

Yes, the following scenario works:

Labour MPs defect en masse to new party whose leader they can work under. Pro-Corbyn membership gets to keep their own leader with rump of MPs.

Am struggling to think how it would work with the anti-Corbyn MPs keeping the Labour name.

seems insane/typical of british politics that a mass defection on that scale wouldn't trigger an election

have been wistfully thinking about matt dc's 'end of season finale' thing from the hazy days of the newscorp crisis, jesus what innocent times those were

sdp.org.uk is free

And in a general election you can have candidates of a split Labour standing against one another in Labour strongholds - UKIP can win some seats then.

The only time Corbyn's likely to have any influence over them is if they did split and later needed his party's backing in a coalition.

I can't seem them doing it though. If it was a neat geographical split or a smaller party, perhaps, but this is a political machine that is hugely divided at every level throughout the country. How does, for example, Angela Eagle even campaign effectively as an MP if her local constituency party fails to follow her into the new party? How does Name TBC survive without unions, etc?

have been wistfully thinking about matt dc's 'end of season finale' thing from the hazy days of the newscorp crisis, jesus what innocent times those were

― coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:26 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

Yeah I think the whole series might be about to finish. Maybe there'll be a spin-off, or at least a few extras for the box set.

How does, for example, Angela Eagle even campaign effectively as an MP if her local constituency party fails to follow her into the new party? How does Name TBC survive without unions, etc?

They are clever people, sure they'll come up with something by conference time. They plotted this psychodrama for long enough.

Aaaaaaand Boris has appointed Lynton Crosby to lead his campaign, which is like putting a petrol bomb on a fire.

had got it down to persistent anxiety and misery, now right back up to Friday/Monday levels of sick terror again.

there was this telegraph story is suggesting that if Corbyn stays Labour MPs are considering "breaking away" but still staying in the Labour party, it seems crazy but who knows:

The idea is for the PLP to elect a new leader, create its own shadow cabinet and effectively begin operating as a distinct Labour Party totally separate from Mr Corbyn.

Crucially, Labour rebels believe they would have control of “short money”, the public funding given to political parties for staffing and organisation.

It would create technical difficulties within Parliament, such as who leads Prime Minister’s Questions. Some experts have suggested John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, would decide who the official Opposition leader is in such circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/labour-rebels-plan-party-within-a-party/

that is nuts

hey the Papacy pulled this off for decades

LOL who is the baddest baddie to get the funds

I'm all for skipping a boring leadership election to see this in action.

Surely Angela Eagle isn't the best they can come up with?

She'd keep headline writers happy for a generation though.

and in Labour 2016, that's all that matters

Beyond the matter of the Labour leadership and whether it's one party or two, I just don't see people answering the key question of what position can be taken on Brexit. Well, Paul Mason did, by saying they have to respect the will of the people and not campaign to rejoin/sabotage Brexit. But years of "Well, we are where we are, it's not what I would have done but let's make the best of it because we're not going to try to change it" is not a very strong vibe to give out.

Tories hit with this too, but they're likely to get Boris as leader and a few other frontbench Brexiters so it's not so bad for them.

/ a weird consensus of usually conflicting interests (free-market fundamentalists, garden variety Little England Tories, sovereignty wonks, socialists, fascists, anxious or angry working class voters, morons etc /

^^^ matt dc otm

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGeorgeGalloway/videos/10154221853780797/

keep calm and carry on!

the look as he says it! gwan george:P

too much news. can everyone stop fucking newsing pls
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If Boris gets the leadership we're on the dark path I think. He craves popularity far too much (and is too fundamentally awful) to resist the shit directions he'll be driven by the forces at play here. And no election just makes that massively worse.

Having two separate Labour factions is just an insane, unworkable idea. You'd end up with a situation like the SDP in the eighties, which resulted in neither side being electable due to the split in votes. Madness!

It almost feels like history repeating, in some respects.

The four left the Labour Party as a result of the January 1981 Wembley conference which committed the party to unilateral nuclear disarmament and withdrawal from the European Economic Community. They also believed that Labour had become too left-wing, and had been infiltrated at constituency party level by Trotskyist factions whose views and behaviour they considered to be at odds with the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour voters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-eagle-backs-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-motion-of-no-confidence_uk_5772a5d8e4b08d2c563a1dea?f8kfvm96fk02kjra4ijust

Crick is reporting that Burnham is about to jump, along with three of the people Corbyn appointed yesterday. Still no sign of a challenger.

Burham has denied it

https://twitter.com/andyburnhammp/status/747880452711653376

Yes, i just saw that. Good on him.

‏Crick also tweeted this earlier, good times for fans of political farce:

@MichaelLCrick
SNP Parliamentary leader Angus Robertson may claim at PMQs tmrw he should be deemed Leader of Opposition as has 56 MPs behind him; Corbyn 40