2008 Primaries Thread

I mean, that's getting us pretty far from the case for open markets.

It’s a shame that Senator Obama (nor Clinton) are running on this type of thinking.

It reminds me of an essay that J0rg3 D0m1nguez wrote for the current issue of Foreign Policy that articulated this point perfectly. Free trade itself is not bad policy, if anything it should be looked at as a goal that will take many steps to reach.

That is, we simply can’t wish it so. We must move towards it slowly with not only the ability to articulate its difficulties but the ability to change policy when necessary. Instead, we’ve taken a dip and the entire philosophy is seen as repugnant. This is not an either/or proposition.

From that FP piece,

Of the repeated injuries the Founders claimed against the king of England, the very first was his refusal to “assent to laws,” which are “wholesome and necessary for the public good.” Today, the United States regularly flouts the very laws and norms of trade, international law, and human rights that it expects the rest of the world to follow. The most pressing priority for the next U.S. president will be to end the double standards that the United States believes its strength and stature afford it.

We must reassure our partners not run away.

if Obama is the nominee, don't be surprised if Bloomie gets in.

lol morbs fakin' insider knowledge, the support for his candidacy is simply not there dude

if Obama is the nominee, don't be surprised if Bloomie gets in.

Also, don’t be surprised if I jump ship to support him!

Mayor Bloomberg/Senator Hagel is the dream ticket that keeps me up at night.

i don't know much about bloomberg. seriously what's the draw for him? who, outside of new york, is really into him/even knows who the fuck he is?

(don't mean to be snarky, i'm actually curious)

he used to throw awz caribbean coke parties for his top guys @ bloomberg lp

Mayor Bloomberg/Senator Hagel is the dream ticket that keeps me up at night.

lol

i don't know much about bloomberg. seriously what's the draw for him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Political_positions

elmo, there could be just enough support for his candidacy to KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE.

by voting for a new york jew?

jesus you're an idiot

Drudge has an item asking if Gore is to endorse Obama, linking to the Atlantic, which seems to have died of the attention

xp: to throw the election to McCain, dumbfuck

(and he's a Boston Jew)

some Gore speculation

oh man gore endorsement would be so awz

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination should come as no surprise to readers of Newsmax’s Insider Report, which has disclosed Kennedy’s membership in the so-called “Gang of Four” Hillary Clinton haters.

The Four — Kennedy, John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Al Gore — have pledged to stop Hillary from getting the nomination, and each has his own reason for detesting Clinton.

lol

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination should come as no surprise to readers of Newsmax’s Insider Report, which has disclosed Kennedy’s membership in the so-called “Gang of Four” Hillary Clinton haters.

The Four — Kennedy, John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Al Gore — have pledged to stop Hillary from getting the nomination, and each has his own reason for detesting Clinton.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

xp lol

I hope the ghost Gore photo gets used again, it is great.

http://members.aol.com/thefightingfury/whoclix/sinsyn2.gif

newsmax <3 <3 <3

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/gang_of_four/solid_hi.jpg

I want to see GO4 membership cards

newsmax would be a great handle for max

Gore is said to be waiting until after the primaries on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5 to enter the fray with an endorsement.

The word in political circles is that if Obama appears the winner that day, Gore will endorse him — in hopes of driving the final nail into the coffin of the Hillary Clinton campaign.

arggh, doesn't it need to be done before feb. 5 to really make a difference? if he's going to do it, it really needs be done, like, tomorrow.

from the Atlantic piece...

A well-connected Tennesseean told me two things today that got me thinking about this. The first is that Obama and Gore have been speaking regularly, about every two weeks or so. The second is that, despite this, and despite Tennessee’s primary on Tuesday, Obama has not visited the state since June. It may be simply that he does not plan on competing there. Or it may be that he’s been waiting for a special occasion.

pretty thin, but not nothing

interesting endorsement:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axRc4lOTS9n0&refer=bondheads

Yeah, I remember when Giuliani used the "waiting for a special occasion" strategy...

Alessandra Stanley should stick to reviewing the OC hudding in a corner with a bottle of white wine, waiting for the tremors to stop.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/020108DailyUpdateGraph2.gif

A three points margin!

NB: I think the Edwards numbers are still there because of the rolling 3-day sample used in the poll

elmo is that a national poll or a specific state?

I think Obama's gonna do it. Hillary's perceived negatives (previous Clinton admin, war vote, unegaging speaker, polarizing figure who energizes the right) outweigh his (youth/inexperience).

mark, it's nationwide

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/10178/thumbs/s-HARRY-large.jpg

The Clinton campaign convened a conference call with health policy experts to denounce Obama's new mailer (.pdf), which attacks Clintons plan for "forcing" Americans to sign up for insurance, and which features a couple at a kitchen table that recalls, for some, the famous insurance-industry financed "Harry and Louise" ads against the original Clinton plan.

"I am personally outraged at the picture used in this mailing," said Len Nichols of the New America foundation, a leading supporter of mandatory insurance, who called it a "Harry and Louise evocation."

"It is as outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois," Nichols said. "I just find it disgusting that this kind of imagery is being used to attack the only way to get to universal coverage."

Update: At the end of the call, Clinton aide Howard Wolfson disavowed the Nazi reference, saying the campaign didn't think it was appropriate, though he acknowledged the passions the issue stirs.

LOLOLOL

hahaha oh man so does Godwin's Law apply to campaigns too...?

a man! and a woman! sitting at a kitchen table! HOW DEPRAVED! HOW INSIDIOUS!

looool

shit those are the nationwide numbers... wow that poll climb is seriously awesome. he might pull this off

what is the first big primary after the 5th?

i mean, when you're debating the insidious implications of stock photography in political mailers, i guess your campaign has really started to scrape the barrel.

x-post -- According to this, it would be next Saturday (3 states, 200 plus delegates), then Virgina the following Tuesday (again, over 200 delegates).

Whoops, Maryland and Virginia, rather, plus DC.

I’m thinking most of you are unaware of the Harry and Louise commercials because this is an obvious attempt to recreate them.

For those curious: you can see a few of them on YouTube.

March 4th is the real biggie following Feb 5th

I’m thinking most of you are unaware of the Harry and Louise commercials because this is an obvious attempt to recreate them.

no, I remember these commercials. but so what? OMG a campaign is using a proven successful tactic against another campaign - THE NAZIS ARE COMING

You're right, they should have had the married couple figuring out their finances while skydiving or something.

Or while spinning clay or a potter's wheel. Or digging through garbage. Anything but sitting at a kitchen table, those bastards.

or while escaping from a furlough program

no wait - while fathering an illegitimate black child

on a swift boat