2008 Primaries Thread

why are you upsetting paradigms, o. nate?

y'all are doing nothing to help the stereotype that liberals are a bunch of whining sissies.

jut cause i <3 marshmallows and rainbows doesnt make me a sissy

i mean you should see how upset i get if i dont have them

now, for a comedic interlude:

"For the first time ever, Al Franken is ahead of Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) in an opinion poll."

Wait, is that true?

yea, via tpm election central

I found this: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/01/31/senatepoll/

I actually support Ciresi, and will be caucusing for him on Tues.

Oh, you Dems pokin' my pinata... I hope you're still laughing on the Fifth of November, you cockeyed optimists!

We're gonna wash that man...

We’re going to pick up that seat. If not Al Franken, than Michael Ciresi. I don’t think anyone believes Senator Coleman’s bipartisan image that he’s been promoting for the last few years.

We really need a rolling thread for the house and senate …

Alessandra Stanley should stick to reviewing the OC.

She doesn't even do things like that very well! I always end up wondering how she got a job at the NYT when I read her reviews, kind of like Calum writing for the Guardian.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/02/poll_al_franken_ahead_in_minne.php

Wow, that's great news.

"Alessandra Stanley" sounds like a Laura Linney character.

i just hope that last night's debate has rendered obsolete the idea that Obama can't go point-for-point with Clinton on detailed policy discussion.

seems like everyone is declaring obama the winner - which is just what he needs to roll up those edwards supporters and keep his mo running thru super tuesday

"keep his mo running" <-- waht

oh, momentum, nvr mind

i think obama needs another major endorsement to put him over the top for feb. 5. right now it's still pretty tight in most states, with clinton having slight leads

http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2007/jul/rocca200.jpg

Shut your momentum, Dan.

I’m shocked that so many people in this thread are reluctant to acknowledge that former President Clinton’s economic policy was more than ‘mediocre’. 116 consecutive months of growth, averaging 4% per year; the median family income rose by approximately $6,000; creation of over 20 million jobs; and so on and so forth.

Regarding trade policy, like it or not the acronyms that everyone in this thread loves to hate, APEC, GATT, NAFTA, and WTO were/are necessary. Frankly, I find it sad that the free trade constancy of the party has jumped shipped vying instead for an isolationist policy that would make any pre-Regan era Republican blush.

… Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow.

'free trade' ain't free

morbs and goody dont fight - you need each other

hahaha ok you just quoted clinton's campaign song from '92 wtf xxpost

Obama's lead economics guy seems to be a free trader, FWIW.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/01/31/econ_advisors_austan_goolsbee/
Krizner: Do you believe that current trade policies, in terms of our key trading partners, are flawed? Has free trade essentially helped to weaken the U.S. economy?

Goolsbee: Look, those are two totally different questions. I'm an economist, so you know I'm going to say "no" to the second question -- open markets are good. But I don't think it helps when you open up trade agreements and see that they're 2,000 pages long, and they look just like the tax code -- that the first three pages are about opening markets, and then the next 1,997 pages are loopholes, giveaways, special protections for individual industries. I mean, that's getting us pretty far from the case for open markets.

okay this is really funny

moveon.org has officially endorsed obama

http://moveon.org/press/pr/obamaendorsementrelease.html

jesus took them long enough. not that I think it will matter very much

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080130/capt.1926e05f1421453b9821d4e65710ab3f.clinton_2008_area102.jpg

well, it's probably not going to resonate strongly in the press but a grassroots gotv mobilization for obama can't hurt

so bloomie made his strongest denial the day after giuliani drops out. just sayin'

I mean, that's getting us pretty far from the case for open markets.

It’s a shame that Senator Obama (nor Clinton) are running on this type of thinking.

It reminds me of an essay that J0rg3 D0m1nguez wrote for the current issue of Foreign Policy that articulated this point perfectly. Free trade itself is not bad policy, if anything it should be looked at as a goal that will take many steps to reach.

That is, we simply can’t wish it so. We must move towards it slowly with not only the ability to articulate its difficulties but the ability to change policy when necessary. Instead, we’ve taken a dip and the entire philosophy is seen as repugnant. This is not an either/or proposition.

From that FP piece,

Of the repeated injuries the Founders claimed against the king of England, the very first was his refusal to “assent to laws,” which are “wholesome and necessary for the public good.” Today, the United States regularly flouts the very laws and norms of trade, international law, and human rights that it expects the rest of the world to follow. The most pressing priority for the next U.S. president will be to end the double standards that the United States believes its strength and stature afford it.

We must reassure our partners not run away.

if Obama is the nominee, don't be surprised if Bloomie gets in.

lol morbs fakin' insider knowledge, the support for his candidacy is simply not there dude

if Obama is the nominee, don't be surprised if Bloomie gets in.

Also, don’t be surprised if I jump ship to support him!

Mayor Bloomberg/Senator Hagel is the dream ticket that keeps me up at night.

i don't know much about bloomberg. seriously what's the draw for him? who, outside of new york, is really into him/even knows who the fuck he is?

(don't mean to be snarky, i'm actually curious)

he used to throw awz caribbean coke parties for his top guys @ bloomberg lp

Mayor Bloomberg/Senator Hagel is the dream ticket that keeps me up at night.

lol

i don't know much about bloomberg. seriously what's the draw for him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Political_positions

elmo, there could be just enough support for his candidacy to KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE.

by voting for a new york jew?

jesus you're an idiot

Drudge has an item asking if Gore is to endorse Obama, linking to the Atlantic, which seems to have died of the attention

xp: to throw the election to McCain, dumbfuck

(and he's a Boston Jew)

some Gore speculation

oh man gore endorsement would be so awz

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination should come as no surprise to readers of Newsmax’s Insider Report, which has disclosed Kennedy’s membership in the so-called “Gang of Four” Hillary Clinton haters.

The Four — Kennedy, John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Al Gore — have pledged to stop Hillary from getting the nomination, and each has his own reason for detesting Clinton.

lol

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination should come as no surprise to readers of Newsmax’s Insider Report, which has disclosed Kennedy’s membership in the so-called “Gang of Four” Hillary Clinton haters.

The Four — Kennedy, John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Al Gore — have pledged to stop Hillary from getting the nomination, and each has his own reason for detesting Clinton.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

xp lol

I hope the ghost Gore photo gets used again, it is great.