What are you going to do if McCain wins?

paranoid fantasies of iran fabricated-attack shenanigans coming to pass at some point in the next few weeks

OTM. this is a real concern. hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=851953

A tense standoff has developed in waters off Somalia over an Iranian merchant ship laden with a mysterious cargo that was hijacked by pirates.

Somali pirates suffered skin burns, lost hair and fell gravely ill “within days” of boarding the MV Iran Deyanat. Some of them died.

sounds like a fluke http://www.geocities.com/area51/hollow/5126/fluke2.jpg

hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power

ABSOLUTEMENT.

if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.

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what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.

This is the hopeless feeling I got after 2004. I'm hoping November will redeem it somewhat.

I got that. FWIW what has bothered me over the past four years is the strong upturn in incidents of people being absolutely horrible to Americans for bigot reasons. That will be as NOTHING if Palin gets anywhere near the nuke codes.

people, Sarah Palin is not going to be living on Massachusetts Avenue any time soon. She's going to lose the election and then go back to Alaska.

she might stop at Disneyland on the way, tho

I want to belEEEEVE!

if mccain wins, i may be disturbed enough by what that says about the country to actually try volunteering or working in some kind of socially useful capacity for the sake of a tiny, tiny counterbalance.

i don't really understand why this would compel anyone to go abroad unless they were already lukewarm on livin in America (which sounds like it's the case for some of you). but I don't think it says anything special abt America if McCain gets elected either? i mean, why is that so upsetting to yall? this isn't weimar germany, what the fuck would you be fleeing exactly? you all sound like a bunch of babies imo

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now that cankles has weighed in, I think this thread is closed.

http://www.michaeltyler.co.uk/uploaded_images/thats-all-folks-711767.jpg

stfu BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

wakka wakka bitch

i'm not sure what people would expect to find anywhere else in terms of progressive folks + a multicultural society, i think what we have here is about as close as it gets tbh, along with some other countries that may be around the same level.

cankles is right, at least stick around and try to sort shit out, rather than be a curious mix of self-loathing and ultra-defensive while letting the bastards win

lol yeah also do you guys really want to flee and leave this country and it's massive arsenal in the hands of those you are hating on? i mean i wouldn't.

now that LJ has weighed in, I think this thread is closed.

Er, I think one of the main reasons it's upsetting to some people is that the choice of a U.S. president has a massive impact on the well-being of the rest of the world, whether that's 100,000 Iraqi lives needlessly lost and millions more forced into migration, or a idiotic energy policy that's contributing to (tens of, hundreds of?) millions more lives lost in the next century. As much as you want to be able to blame one person or one administration or one party, we all pay taxes here to support the awful things that our government does, so we're all implicated in this to some degree. I'm not on the Leave the Country if McCain is Elected team, but I don't see anything wrong with wanting to remove yourself from any association with the modern day Neros.

hi caek!

I do agree that it makes more sense to try to influence things from an oppositional perspective than to just abandon the country...not so much because it affects what the government does as because that's where social change comes from, which is what's going to determine future presidents.

i'm too old to move to Dutchland. plus, i am never moving my records again.

http://www.mvmagazine.com/2007/september-october/images/free_marthas_vineyard.gif

"In 1977, Martha's Vineyard tried to secede from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (it also tried to secede from the United States and become an independent nation) along with the island of Nantucket."

(we gotta start working on this again.)

Bush was only president for eight years. Didn't you all first elect John Howard in the early 50s?

― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 00:05 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Bush would never have received a first term here, let alone four.

I agree that Howard getting four terms is a shithouse reflection on this country btw. I actually hated living here for some years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_New_England I like the idea of having a fucking pine tree on the flag.

As much as you want to be able to blame one person or one administration or one party, we all pay taxes here to support the awful things that our government does, so we're all implicated in this to some degree. I'm not on the Leave the Country if McCain is Elected team, but I don't see anything wrong with wanting to remove yourself from any association with the modern day Neros.

this is the part that grates me. it's like ppl are just satisfying the part of themselves that has a pathological need to be RIGHT about everything. the democratic process resolves itself in a way that produces the most unsavory possible outcome, yr immediate impulse/reaction is to want to distance yrself from association w/tha EVIL EMPIRE => it's about preserving your IDENTITY of being someone who cares about, like, social justice and shit. and hey, that's a perfectly legitimate life decision for anyone to make and i wouldn't want to suggest otherwise - but the way some ppl package it as being abt like, OH I AM SO TORMENTED BY THA WOES OF THA WORLD~~, that's horseshit and it makes me bristle with its fucken narcissism.

ps. australia's a shithole, how dare u fucken rubes cast aspersions on this great nation~~~

I'm voting for McCain wtf!!?

uh douchebags, mccain and republicans suck and all but WTF with this "all republicans are racists" and equating bush winning elections with the majority of americans being racist bullshit?

Supporting racism of that magnitude IS racism. There really is no excuse for it.

cankles: um, wtf?

autumn almanac u should probably do a little bit a reading before you trust the word of some dude on the internet that the reason mccain will win is because americans are racist

yr immediate impulse/reaction is to want to distance yrself from association w/tha EVIL EMPIRE

It's more immediate and admittedly unreasonable impulse to distance myself from a country whose infrastructure & economy are failing.

And the majority of whose citizens are choosing a candidate who will speed that process.

Of course the more considered reaction is "stay and fight."

this is the part that grates me. it's like ppl are just satisfying the part of themselves that has a pathological need to be RIGHT about everything. the democratic process resolves itself in a way that produces the most unsavory possible outcome, yr immediate impulse/reaction is to want to distance yrself from association w/tha EVIL EMPIRE => it's about preserving your IDENTITY of being someone who cares about, like, social justice and shit. and hey, that's a perfectly legitimate life decision for anyone to make and i wouldn't want to suggest otherwise - but the way some ppl package it as being abt like, OH I AM SO TORMENTED BY THA WOES OF THA WORLD~~, that's horseshit and it makes me bristle with its fucken narcissism.

ps. australia's a shithole, how dare u fucken rubes cast aspersions on this great nation~~~

Jeez, man.

this is the part that grates me. it's like ppl are just satisfying the part of themselves that has a pathological need to be RIGHT about everything.

The most OTM sentences I've read today.

autumn almanac u should probably do a little bit a reading before you trust the word of some dude on the internet that the reason mccain will win is because americans are racist

― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Monday, 29 September 2008 07:41 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The vast amount of US political news that is shoved down our throats in utter disproportion to literally every other foreign country in the world makes me eminently qualified to discuss the racist motives of your current and potential Republican shitheads leaders.

a curious mix of self-loathing and ultra-defensive

yay elections :)

The vast amount of US political news that is shoved down our throats in utter disproportion to literally every other foreign country in the world makes me eminently qualified to discuss the racist motives of your current and potential Republican shitheads leaders.

are you the Manchurian candidate?

dog u were on a thread the other day ASKING SOMEONE WHEN THE ELECTION WAS so i think youre eminently qualified to stfu

At what point do we bring Murdoch into this, if at all? xpost

have you ever been to america, AA?

dinglol ate my baby

dog u were on a thread the other day ASKING SOMEONE WHEN THE ELECTION WAS so i think youre eminently qualified to stfu

― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Monday, 29 September 2008 07:52 (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Curiously the one piece of US election news that we're not getting is the date of the election.

actually idk if i really wanna go down this road, cuz most of america is at least kinda racist (including myself rofl). my point is just - i've heard a lot of horror stories from australians and from foreigners visiting australia, about the appalling level of racism down there. but i don't actually think i have any kind of real perspective on what it's really like there as far as the racialist climate. since u clearly learned about america from watching LOST, mb u could reserve judgement just a lil too~

cankles, what you've heard about is probably (a) the public support for a subhuman asylum-seeker policy and (b) treatment of indigenous people, which is mostly isolated to rural pockets. It's the middle-class passive armchair racism (against the Middle East and Asia, mainly) that kept our conservative wankpocket in power for 12 years.

btw I don't watch Lost because nothing happens.

good grief, AA

if mccain wins i will shrug my shoulders, be disappointed about it for a while, and then return to doing the same things i did every day before the election