OTM^^
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
McCain is a) not going to win, and b) possibly worse than Bush, but would have to work with a Dem Congress. I think leaving the US is just as dumb negative-identity-branding as being too cool to vote for a Dem.
i'm not dumb enough to buy into the democrat = good republican = evil bullshit that's been pressed into the minds of under-30 liberals for the past 20 years.
lol
― gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
xp - people tend to filter it according to gut instincts what everyone else around them is doing
i agree wholeheartedly with this, not because of "lol racists" but because if american voters are willing to digest and ignore flat-out lies at a rate with which we've never seen before
=
In 2004 I had four years of school to finish, horrified as I was at the prospect of doing it in an America from which I was so obviously alienated.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
OTM. Leaving the country b/c you're not happy with the President is like voting for Sun Ra in a district that leans heavily Obama. But it doesn't matter b/c there is no way McCain is going to win.
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Guys fwiw any impulse I have towards leaving has less to do with "omg a Republican president" and more to do with this particular deregulating president, his war drive, and my creeping dread about the nonpartisan collapse of the American Empire and subsequent bread lines.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
You're, what, twenty-one? Wait till you start dealing with credit card debt, college loans, and mortgages.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm there already at 22, but your point is understood.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I've got significant school loan & CC debt and I frequently worry about the looming increases in my expenses (grad school, higher rent in whatever city I move to), but they don't give me nightmares like that other stuff does.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
My wife was recently talking to me about fleeing because of the oncoming economic collapse. Usually, she's a pretty smart cookie, but I had to disabuse her of that bullshit right away. The problem, I think, is that she listens to this echo chamber of liberal talk radio & blogs, etc., and to be honest, liberals (of which I'm one) tend to be the worst chicken littles.
My point here is that it's obviously not just her trapped in that echo chamber.
― Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
fuck this, there is no way in hell that I or any of you other sane people are going to let these deluded motherfuckers wreck the world anymore.
i'm thinking that after last week, one of the only ways that mccain could (gulp) win, would necessitate the left's (or certain elements of th'left) paranoid fantasies of iran fabricated-attack shenanigans coming to pass at some point in the next few weeks...but even if something like that were to happen, i take encouragement from the general public's response to the initial bailout proposal earlier this week-- to quote gdubya, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
― dell, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
won't get fooled again -- The Who
― Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Cross your fingers and hope President Obama doesn't order missiles into Pakistan, or consider Iran an "existential" threat to Israel.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
you are smarter than Barack Obama, Al
― gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
big hoos accept that you are young ok
it's a mitzvah
― J0hn D., Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
gabbneb don't even joke about there being one person on the planet who is smarter than Obama, some things are sacred ok
― J0hn D., Sunday, 28 September 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
guys mccain is not going to win, i mean his own party doesn't even like him
― J.D., Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
but they like power and he's their only ticket to punch
― Aimless, Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
"My party, right or wrong...."
― Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
xpostsI know, I guess it was a moment where Bush's attempt at trying to parrot homespun folk wisdom collided with flashbacks from his wild partying days.
― dell, Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
paranoid fantasies of iran fabricated-attack shenanigans coming to pass at some point in the next few weeks
OTM. this is a real concern. hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power
― regular guy, scranton, pennsylvania (daria-g), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=851953
A tense standoff has developed in waters off Somalia over an Iranian merchant ship laden with a mysterious cargo that was hijacked by pirates.
Somali pirates suffered skin burns, lost hair and fell gravely ill “within days” of boarding the MV Iran Deyanat. Some of them died.
― Kerm, Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
sounds like a fluke http://www.geocities.com/area51/hollow/5126/fluke2.jpg
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
hardliners in iran preferring mccain get elected because diplomacy is going to threaten their own power
ABSOLUTEMENT.
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
if he wins over barack obama then this country is fucked. not because of what MCCAIN will do but because of what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.
^^^^
― omar little, Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
what it says about this country, it proves everyone right.
This is the hopeless feeling I got after 2004. I'm hoping November will redeem it somewhat.
― Radiant Flowering Crab (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I got that. FWIW what has bothered me over the past four years is the strong upturn in incidents of people being absolutely horrible to Americans for bigot reasons. That will be as NOTHING if Palin gets anywhere near the nuke codes.
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
people, Sarah Palin is not going to be living on Massachusetts Avenue any time soon. She's going to lose the election and then go back to Alaska.
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 28 September 2008 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link
she might stop at Disneyland on the way, tho
― gabbneb, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I want to belEEEEVE!
― Tetragram for Holding Back (libcrypt), Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
if mccain wins, i may be disturbed enough by what that says about the country to actually try volunteering or working in some kind of socially useful capacity for the sake of a tiny, tiny counterbalance.
― Maria, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't really understand why this would compel anyone to go abroad unless they were already lukewarm on livin in America (which sounds like it's the case for some of you). but I don't think it says anything special abt America if McCain gets elected either? i mean, why is that so upsetting to yall? this isn't weimar germany, what the fuck would you be fleeing exactly? you all sound like a bunch of babies imo
― cankles, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^
― eman, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
now that cankles has weighed in, I think this thread is closed.
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.michaeltyler.co.uk/uploaded_images/thats-all-folks-711767.jpg
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
stfu BIG HOOS aka the steendriver
― eman, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
wakka wakka bitch
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm not sure what people would expect to find anywhere else in terms of progressive folks + a multicultural society, i think what we have here is about as close as it gets tbh, along with some other countries that may be around the same level.
― omar little, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
cankles is right, at least stick around and try to sort shit out, rather than be a curious mix of self-loathing and ultra-defensive while letting the bastards win
― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
lol yeah also do you guys really want to flee and leave this country and it's massive arsenal in the hands of those you are hating on? i mean i wouldn't.
― omar little, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
now that LJ has weighed in, I think this thread is closed.
― caek, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Er, I think one of the main reasons it's upsetting to some people is that the choice of a U.S. president has a massive impact on the well-being of the rest of the world, whether that's 100,000 Iraqi lives needlessly lost and millions more forced into migration, or a idiotic energy policy that's contributing to (tens of, hundreds of?) millions more lives lost in the next century. As much as you want to be able to blame one person or one administration or one party, we all pay taxes here to support the awful things that our government does, so we're all implicated in this to some degree. I'm not on the Leave the Country if McCain is Elected team, but I don't see anything wrong with wanting to remove yourself from any association with the modern day Neros.
― Z S, Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
hi caek!
― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Sunday, 28 September 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I do agree that it makes more sense to try to influence things from an oppositional perspective than to just abandon the country...not so much because it affects what the government does as because that's where social change comes from, which is what's going to determine future presidents.
― Maria, Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm too old to move to Dutchland. plus, i am never moving my records again.
― scott seward, Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.mvmagazine.com/2007/september-october/images/free_marthas_vineyard.gif
"In 1977, Martha's Vineyard tried to secede from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (it also tried to secede from the United States and become an independent nation) along with the island of Nantucket."
(we gotta start working on this again.)
― scott seward, Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Bush was only president for eight years. Didn't you all first elect John Howard in the early 50s?
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 September 2008 00:05 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Bush would never have received a first term here, let alone four.
I agree that Howard getting four terms is a shithouse reflection on this country btw. I actually hated living here for some years.
― You should be an artist, in in your shower. (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_New_England I like the idea of having a fucking pine tree on the flag.
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
As much as you want to be able to blame one person or one administration or one party, we all pay taxes here to support the awful things that our government does, so we're all implicated in this to some degree. I'm not on the Leave the Country if McCain is Elected team, but I don't see anything wrong with wanting to remove yourself from any association with the modern day Neros.
this is the part that grates me. it's like ppl are just satisfying the part of themselves that has a pathological need to be RIGHT about everything. the democratic process resolves itself in a way that produces the most unsavory possible outcome, yr immediate impulse/reaction is to want to distance yrself from association w/tha EVIL EMPIRE => it's about preserving your IDENTITY of being someone who cares about, like, social justice and shit. and hey, that's a perfectly legitimate life decision for anyone to make and i wouldn't want to suggest otherwise - but the way some ppl package it as being abt like, OH I AM SO TORMENTED BY THA WOES OF THA WORLD~~, that's horseshit and it makes me bristle with its fucken narcissism.
ps. australia's a shithole, how dare u fucken rubes cast aspersions on this great nation~~~
― cankles, Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm voting for McCain wtf!!?
― rejected FDR screen name (wanko ergo sum), Sunday, 28 September 2008 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link